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Quote: ChrisA "What I'd like to see is our best players on the park, playing a better brand of rugby than we have seen for the last 12 month. It's going to need more than players back to really begin to entertain, I'm not happy with just winning, I want to be entertained. I don't want our better players taking it in turns to win games, I want to see a team that play with flair and fluidity. Is Wane the man to get us firing in attack? I don't think so he now seems limited. Is he a man to get them fired up and defensively solid (most of the time)? Probably yes. We need a coach that can do both.'"

Fair comment, but even with all our problems I'd rather be where we are in the table than some of those teams (like Huddersfield, at the bottom) with a better attacking record than us. Sure, both would be nice, but I prefer a scrappy win to a fluid attacking defeat.

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Quote: Geoff "Fair comment, but even with all our problems I'd rather be where we are in the table than some of those teams (like Huddersfield, at the bottom) with a better attacking record than us. Sure, both would be nice, but I prefer a scrappy win to a fluid attacking defeat.'"

To a point I agree but we won't keep on winning scrappy games.
We are very poor in attack and even before the injuries we looked and played like a mid table team and that is where we will end up at best unless ST comes back and drags us to another level.
I cant remember the last time when I actually don't want to go to a match. The Catalan and Huddersfield games genuinely made my jaw drop at the sheer awfulness of the quality on display.
I've haven't been able to get to the last few matches but will be there on Friday when I expect an improvement for 20 minutes or so but then anticipate Cas to win in a canter as long as they can tackle. I can take a defeat but find robots and zero skills other than wrestling a little harder to digest.
Adversity can be turned into mental toughness which is what we all expect and maybe just maybe might squeak us an odd scrappy win here and there but without significant improvement in finness and basic rugby skills we are woefully short of being anything like a top team.
Sometimes you have to reach the bottom before you can start to climb up again. Personally I don't think we have reached the bottom yet but hope that come the backend of May we might start to pick up. The way we play even with a full team containing ST I just don't see us doing anything this season.
The off field fiascos are as bad as those on the field. The lack of information on injuries, fixtures, London fixture etc makes me feel that Uncle Maurice & Uncle Dave are back in charge rather than IL who was so refreshing when he first arrived.
I have written this season off and I'm just looking for some grains of comfort in future signings and other internal changes together with the burning of the wrestling pit.

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Quote: stillinthepast "
Interesting question that Ted.

On the Wakefield fans forum posters are already asking the question, if Wigan players played still carrying the tail end of a virus what happens if half of the Wakefield team pick up the bug if the virus was still live.'"


Exactly. If there was a chance of the Wakefield players catching the virus, and if it was as debilitating as reported, then the Wakefield club should / would have agreed to a postponement without question.
So, that leads me to suspect some possible smoke and mirrors here from SW & KR? eusa_think.gif

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Quote: tedglen "Exactly. If there was a chance of the Wakefield players catching the virus, and if it was as debilitating as reported, then the Wakefield club should / would have agreed to a postponement without question.
So, that leads me to suspect some possible smoke and mirrors here from SW & KR?
The fact they will not say the name of the Virus that went round speaks volumes. If wakey players do get it then could WTW not request the medical information via the RFL so they could get a head start on the best treatment to minimise disruption? or would the file just say "Virus"?

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Quote: theblondebomber "The fact they will not say the name of the Virus that went round speaks volumes. If wakey players do get it then could WTW not request the medical information via the RFL so they could get a head start on the best treatment to minimise disruption? or would the file just say "Virus"?'"



More likely that the virus has not been named because no one has identified it - do you know how hard it is to actually identify a virus, that needs a highly specialised medical facility - and even then there are a lot of viruses in circulation which have not been named anyway (especially given the high degree of mutation rates of viruses there is no off the shelf catalogue of them). Try another conspiracy theory.....

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Quote: exiled Warrior "More likely that the virus has not been named because no one has identified it - do you know how hard it is to actually identify a virus, that needs a highly specialised medical facility - and even then there are a lot of viruses in circulation which have not been named anyway (especially given the high degree of mutation rates of viruses there is no off the shelf catalogue of them). Try another conspiracy theory.....'"



I believe it was virus Wig270089 first seen in April about 27 years ago. However it's a new strain which has an effect known as Wak620016.

I hope that clears things up.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I believe it was virus Wig270089 first seen in April about 27 years ago. However it's a new strain which has an effect known as Wak620016.

I hope that clears things up.'"


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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "
I cant remember the last time when I actually don't want to go to a match.'"


Really strikes a chord this one. I think it's boredom that has set in with a lot of the fans. I don't get to go at the best of times, but when I do I just see the team run through the same stale plays, with the same average players making the same mistakes, playing a brand of stale rugby that sucks out any of my remaining enthusiasm. We're crying out for an attacking coach or, if need be, a new head coach. Even down under Souths are starting to look a bit stale under Maguire with other teams playing more exciting, attacking brands of rugby...

Of course i'll support the team through thick and thin (was there when we got battered by Stains and Leeds), but it doesn't mean I have to be happy with what I see on the field.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I believe it was virus Wig270089 first seen in April about 27 years ago. However it's a new strain which has an effect known as Wak620016.

I hope that clears things up.'"

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perfectly cleared up!

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Wonder whether Iestyn Harris would be welcomed back?

We do need an attacking coach as we are as dishwater at the minute, all the emphasis is on smashing the their attackers and I do like our aggressive defence don't get me wrong I just want to see good rugby not good wrestling.

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Quote: post "Wonder whether Iestyn Harris would be welcomed back?

We do need an attacking coach as we are as dishwater at the minute, all the emphasis is on smashing the their attackers and I do like our aggressive defence don't get me wrong I just want to see good rugby not good wrestling.'"


By all accounts Harris wasn't that highly regarded here or at Salford. Though IIRC he was assistant coach is Wane's first season as head coach (2012)? That season is probably when we played the best attacking rugby (smashing Saints at MW, 50 on Leeds at Headingley spring to mind) but the season fizzled out with two poor semi final performances after winning the LLS. We didn't have flashy HBs then but we were really well drilled and ST had a field day out the back.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "By all accounts Harris wasn't that highly regarded here or at Salford. Though IIRC he was assistant coach is Wane's first season as head coach (2012)? That season is probably when we played the best attacking rugby (smashing Saints at MW, 50 on Leeds at Headingley spring to mind) but the season fizzled out with two poor semi final performances after winning the LLS. We didn't have flashy HBs then but we were really well drilled and ST had a field day out the back.'"


Yeah but all our resident experts feel that all of that was down to MM, so you can discount that idea.. icon_smile.gif

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Personally think we're missing Deacon more than Harris, but hard to know who was really calling the shots in attack...

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Quote: Madderzahatter "Personally think we're missing Deacon more than Harris, but hard to know who was really calling the shots in attack...'"


For me, you've got to ask yourself a question.

Why would a Wigan lad with a coaching job at Wigan leave to coach in Union?

It could be money but it seems over the past few years anyone who's become assistant or near to those lofty heights have left, It would be good to know why and see what happens to John Winder over the next 12 months.

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Quote: post "Wonder whether Iestyn Harris would be welcomed back?]

We do need an attacking coach as we are as dishwater at the minute, all the emphasis is on smashing the their attackers and I do like our aggressive defence don't get me wrong I just want to see good rugby not good wrestling.'"



As a player he would be an improvement.

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