Feel a bit for Logan tbh. I mentioned to a mate of mine tonight that he can probably put himself alongside Bateman as one of only two of our players who can say they've preformed consistently well when they've player this year.

As opposed to dropping them?

Well you could only drop them if you had replacements..I'm sure you agree.

Castlefords defeat at Huddersfield last night shows Wane has every right to have some players in his 'bad books'.

Last Friday night was unacceptable. We've been beaten fair and square plenty of times in the Maguire/Wane era and we were again last Friday but none other then that Cas game have ever been from a lack of effort.

Why? To me it sounds like a coach laying down the ground rules that the players have to perform to get in the "good books" and get back in the 1st team.

We've got the biggest squad in Super League. Plenty of replacements. I reckon Wane is spot on. Give them all a chance to put it right tonight. I think they will, and I can't wait. Really looking forward to this one.

Bateman dropped to the bench.
Larne Patrick starts at loose.

I actually think Wane is trolling us now.

I don't see why. Bateman (one of the few to come out of the season so far in credit) is surely 'rested', rather than dropped, and will surely have his part to play anyway.

Yes, Patrick has been disappointing so far, but he's a new signing. Are we meant to accept (already?) that he is not good enough to make the starting 13? Let's give him some more game time before we rush to judgement.

Well a win is a win, that's all you can say about that really.

Error and penalty count was much improved. Still zero creativity though - we should've scored plenty in the second half.

Mossop was quality.

And LOL at Hull's last play, wtf was Watts doing?

Creativity was always going to be a problem without Green,just need to try and grind out results until it clicks into place.

Well I have just got back and that was abysmal.

The passing was shocking. If Budgie got a pass to hand at the right height all night I'd be amazed. Behind him at knee or ankle height not where they should have been.

As to the decision making that was no better. I could not believe, yet again, we score a try and them immediately give the ball away by trying a stupid move in our own 20m area. How many more times are going to try and do this when there is no need?

We looked good for thee first 10 minutes but following that mistake we regularly either gave a penalty away or lost possession so we never got any momentum going. The 2nd half was terrible. Camped in the Hull half and could not score to save our lives.

If you want apositive it was Mossop. Thought he had a very good game and was a real handful for them. Smith got MoM and he looked better than of late (but still missed a conversion whereas Hull's kicker slotted one over from right on the touchline to get them within a point).

I wonder, as another poster did the other day, if Smith might not do better if relieved of the kicking responsibility. You might say, it shouldn't be necessary, he's a senior player, but, with the best will in the world, he can't be our long-term kicking answer. I'm sure he's practiced and he tried, but he isn't. He is a very good, if not brilliant half-back, and we need to get him back to doing what he does best.

I'd go with that if I thought it would add a spark to creativity to the attack because we have none at the moment.

I am not sure it would make a great deal of difference though because we seem to stick rigidly to one attacking move and while it may seem the half backs aren't creating much they seem to get rid of the ball all the time so we can move the ball wide time and again.

In previous games you could argue they had no platform but in the 2nd half v Hull we camped in their half and we scored 1 solitary point from a drop goal. I think I saw one, possibly two breaks from the halves all night but the rest of the time it was pass it wide, pass it wide.

Add to the fact the passing is poor so this doesn't work as the ball goes to ankle height or behind the player, so overall it's just rubbish.

I would say creativity from the team is missing as a whole..Lot of possession in that second half but the points went the other way.