I'd be happy with one if we got O'Carroll fit and he played instead of Fielden or an unfit feka. If Feka lost a stone or two he'd improve so much in defence it would negate any drop off in attack [which i think would alsoo improve for the record]

What a load of e how can he be in breach of his contract for his weight you complete numpty .

So its only fielden and feka who are letting the side down not other players having e games as well or the coaching staff for picking the team.

no, but fielden and feka are both playing well below what we know they can.

Feka in particular is putting in some seriously poor performances because of the condition he's allowing himself to get in to. If the club were trying to get him to lose weight and he was ignoring them then surely the club would be well within there rights to discipline him in someway as he isn't getting himself in the correct condition to do what is required of him in his career.

Sadly I dont think it is going to happen though

feka needs get on a push bike loose some weight, i have always been a big fan of his but on sat he was a joke. For the past 2 seasons wigan have said his fitness is improving well im sorry to say i dont think it is still the same game time and he looks bigger than ever.

come on mike forshaw sort the big fella out.

No props = no cups

Do they make a suitable bike?

In all seriousness, he wouldnt get there.

The problem is compounded by the fact that we dont have a busy hooker who is able to compensate for Feka's vunerability in defence (unless Mclorum plays).

thats not entirely fair - I have a mate who worked at Wigan as a conditioner a last year go (on a student placement from Uni). He basically said it was obvious that Feka is basically lazy. He put in as little work as possible during sessions, and as soon he left the sessions he was doing no work on his own and wasnt looking after his diet etc...

There is only so much a fitness conditioner can do. He does his job and tells the player what to do, the player has to make a decision about their own condition, the coach then picks the team and is ultimately responsible.

Karl Pryce was worse than Feka apparantly.

Looking at the state of him that figures and if i were in charge at Wigan the guy would be told he was out of the first team until he got in better shape.

He could be one of the best props in the world if he truely wanted it enough but it doesn't look like he does.

He needs a push in the right direction and him being dropped may give him that.

It's just a shame the likes of O'Carroll and Bailey are injured and obviously Hock isn't available as it makes it difficult to leave him out.

I was a big fan of Feka before this season. But overall I think he's not been worth a spot this season mainly because his fitness is an absolute disgrace for a professional sportsman. This only added to his shocking defence on Saturday, which Wire played to very well.

The Wire fans behind us on Saturday were laughing at him. With him and Piggy it's like having 15 players some weeks. I just don't get it, if he was fit imagine the damage he'd do, he'd be even more unstoppable (than he is some weeks).

Fair enough, a great impact player on his day, but surely we have to expect more than 15-20 mins per week?

Agree with all you say pretty much bar comparing Riddells fitness to that of Feka.

Riddell is miles fitter then Feka and unlike Feka will bend his back in defence and get stuck in.

Sometimes appearences can be diseptive and in Riddells case they are.......if Feka's case they're not! He really is as unfit as he looks.

I'm maybe a bit harsh on Piggy. His wrist was knackered on Saturday and he came back on and fronted up. Not many hookers do or need to do the full 80 in SL either these days.

If Feka gets any more unfit for next season he'll be a complete liability. If other teams watch Saturday's game back he's in for trouble. Make him tackle, pile in when he runs and he's shot.

Bring back Chris Butler and get him running up Rivington Pike!

But this is exactly the conditioners responsibility, they have to get the best out of each player in the time they have together, if he is not putting it in in sessions then something must be done about it by the conditioner.

I do worry about all this talk from Wigan of Feka's "fitness" on Saturday it was not his fitness that let him down, it was his conditioning or lack of it, his agility and lateral movement is non existant, so while he may be able to run for further without blowing is anyone actually looking into improving his rugby specific conditioning or are we looking to turn him into the worlds biggest marathon runner by working on his fitness?

I disagree - the conditioner tells him what to do but if he doesn't do it - it's up to the coach to drop him until he does IMO.

The coach is the boss at the end of the day and if he keeps picking him despite him ignoring the conditioner, then he completely undermines the conditioner and makes his job impossible.