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Quote: Ziggy Stardust "Disagree completely!!

Where has the club rolled out the red carpet?

Sent a player to residential rehab, without doubt, the conditions of this is sort your alcohol abuse or bye -bye.

JT was filmed abusing Wigan people in a Wigan pub, slagging off Wiganers, his career at the club was untenable.

Your dislike for Lenners is well known, and the fact you mention Mo is laughable.

Check Wigans record under Lenners, pretty good reading for me, the best chairman we've ever had!!'"


Under " Lenners" how much have they lost in the last 2 years? Its another reason he's kept an asset (not a player) with a price tag on it like a lump of pork.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Under " Lenners" how much have they lost in the last 2 years? Its another reason he's kept an asset (not a player) with a price tag on it like a lump of pork.'"


Doesn't matter, no new ground, mend a hose or something. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

Lenners has loads of cash, so if he wants to spend he will, but he is very shrewd si will only spend when needed.. icon_mrgreen.gif

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I think Wigan have done the right thing what’s happened has happened hope Zak can get sorted. Time to sit back and wait for the new season and the new look of the team and management taking shape .Heres to 2019!!

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Anyone who believes that IDIOT BOY just go drunk and decided to have a white powder chaser as a one off and then unluckily has the drug testers knocking on his door is very much deluded.

I would suggest he has been the best full back but at the moment he's had over a year out the game, clearly not been involved in any keep fit regime for his return, used cocaine, drank regularly and clearly has mental health issues and people expect him to stride back into SL as good as he was before he drifted into drink and powder as a pastime that's a big ask.

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Makes you wonder if Joel was forced out and didn’t get paid off if he’s speaking to a solicitor playing the one rule for one and one rule for another card. This decision is quite hypocritical of IL but guessing he didn’t make this decision alone.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Great post
Lets go back a few years. At Featherstone under Powell Zac was no problem but he moved on to Leeds and went off the rails. Back at Cas under Powell he was no problem (not seen "up ponte"icon_wink.gif but then by his own admission he got drunk at home and took cocaine. It seems it was then only after his suspension he went completely off the rails and was spotted almost nightly with his "plastic gangster" mates. I thought that once he got back training and playing with Wigan he would be ok but this sadly hasn't been the case. I know his mates get a lot of the blame but any one who has seen it will tell you it is Zac that wants to be one of them and not the other way round. Best of luck for Zac and Wigan but I feel IL has taken the option that see's the best financial option for him.'"


Of course he’s taken the best result financially and in terms of sporting success, why would he do anything different? People seem to forget sport is a results business, not a community interest company or charity.

Nobody moaned this much about Ben Barba, who had many many misdemeanours before coming to Super League.

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So here is my take.

Wigan have done the correct thing as an employer. They have considered the health and well being of a troubled individual over and above him as an asset and are sending him to rehab under the treatment of a professional service with the sporting chance. clinic. Zak has never been in to rehab and had serious help from one of these organisations. If wigan cut him loose, he would have simply imploded.

In this instance if he self distructs again, absolutely no one in world rugby will ever touch him. This is his last chance.

Dont forget what happened to Terry Newton when he was banned. Zak has an issue and the consequences of the easy option could have been severe.

Well done Wigan, your approach is professional, considered and thoughtful, looking after the individuals health and well being over anything else.

Yes if it works, its a huge benefit to Wigan however there is a long road for ZAK to go before he hits the heights of where he has been before.

Will it pay off, time will tell but Wigan have taken a responsible approach.

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Quote: Tricky Dicky "So here is my take.

Wigan have done the correct thing as an employer. They have considered the health and well being of a troubled individual over and above him as an asset and are sending him to rehab under the treatment of a professional service with the sporting chance. clinic. Zak has never been in to rehab and had serious help from one of these organisations. If wigan cut him loose, he would have simply imploded.

In this instance if he self distructs again, absolutely no one in world rugby will ever touch him. This is his last chance.

Dont forget what happened to Terry Newton when he was banned. Zak has an issue and the consequences of the easy option could have been severe.

Well done Wigan, your approach is professional, considered and thoughtful, looking after the individuals health and well being over anything else.

Yes if it works, its a huge benefit to Wigan however there is a long road for ZAK to go before he hits the heights of where he has been before.

Will it pay off, time will tell but Wigan have taken a responsible approach.'"
couldn’t have been a more thought of response pal top post!

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Quote: Tricky Dicky "So here is my take.

Wigan have done the correct thing as an employer. They have considered the health and well being of a troubled individual over and above him as an asset and are sending him to rehab under the treatment of a professional service with the sporting chance. clinic. Zak has never been in to rehab and had serious help from one of these organisations. If wigan cut him loose, he would have simply imploded.

In this instance if he self distructs again, absolutely no one in world rugby will ever touch him. This is his last chance.

Dont forget what happened to Terry Newton when he was banned. Zak has an issue and the consequences of the easy option could have been severe.

Well done Wigan, your approach is professional, considered and thoughtful, looking after the individuals health and well being over anything else.

Yes if it works, its a huge benefit to Wigan however there is a long road for ZAK to go before he hits the heights of where he has been before.

Will it pay off, time will tell but Wigan have taken a responsible approach.'"


The individuals health and well being over anything else. You sure about that?

‘We have thought long and hard about what the correct thing to do is for Wigan’.

I don’t doubt that’s what they want folk to believe; they just forgot to tell the bloke writing the script!

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Quote: Returnee "The individuals health and well being over anything else. You sure about that?

‘We have thought long and hard about what the correct thing to do is for Wigan’.

I don’t doubt that’s what they want folk to believe; they just forgot to tell the bloke writing the script!'"


The correct thing for Wigan has to be looked at in more detail than just what ZH can offer as a player. There’s a significant reputational risk to the club either way. If they sacked him and he imploded and in the worst case scenario followed the Terry Newton path, the club would be heavily criticised for not placing his welfare at the forefront of their decision making. By keeping him on there’s an element of fans from both inside and outside of the club who think he’ll let the club down again and that the club are condoning all his misdemeanours.

By sending him to residential rehab, the club has acted very responsibly. He addresses his issues from a welfare perspective and has the best possible chance of rebuilding his life and his career. He is more inclined to feel a commitment to the club in return for their support and hopefully will deliver on the field.
In addition any player who is considering joining the club will clearly see that welfare is important to the management team.
All in all the club were in a very difficult position and in considering what’s correct for the club, they have managed the situation perfectly. Demonstrated a real focus on welfare, minimised reputational risk and retained a very good player.
Let’s not forget that as well as being rugby players, these are also just people and sometimes, people need to be put first.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "
Quote: Bigredwarrior "The individuals health and well being over anything else. You sure about that?

‘We have thought long and hard about what the correct thing to do is for Wigan’.

I don’t doubt that’s what they want folk to believe; they just forgot to tell the bloke writing the script!'"


The correct thing for Wigan has to be looked at in more detail than just what ZH can offer as a player. There’s a significant reputational risk to the club either way. If they sacked him and he imploded and in the worst case scenario followed the Terry Newton path, the club would be heavily criticised for not placing his welfare at the forefront of their decision making. By keeping him on there’s an element of fans from both inside and outside of the club who think he’ll let the club down again and that the club are condoning all his misdemeanours.

By sending him to residential rehab, the club has acted very responsibly. He addresses his issues from a welfare perspective and has the best possible chance of rebuilding his life and his career. He is more inclined to feel a commitment to the club in return for their support and hopefully will deliver on the field.
In addition any player who is considering joining the club will clearly see that welfare is important to the management team.
All in all the club were in a very difficult position and in considering what’s correct for the club, they have managed the situation perfectly. Demonstrated a real focus on welfare, minimised reputational risk and retained a very good player.
Let’s not forget that as well as being rugby players, these are also just people and sometimes, people need to be put first.'"


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Ok lets be honest he's already let the club down with the drink driving conviction.

He has had support and chances at both his SL clubs and let them down.

He wasn't at Featherstone long enough to get in trouble clearly a talented player attracting the attention of a number of SL clubs and he opted for Rhinos and Rovers got some brass out of it.


A happy ending would be great for him and the game but the odds are against him, he's really starting from less than zero, unfit, overweight, possible short/long term effects of his drug and drink abuse, mental health issues,will he come back anywhere close to being SL standard? A frighteningly steep hill to climb and his track record, well no one can deny it's p@ss poor

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Whilst I agree with pretty much all Bigredwarrior says, nevertheless I am very pessimistic about outcomes. I can't see ZH being a long-term success on the field after all this. As Rick points out above.

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I have to say as an outsider looking in, Wigan seem to have dealt with this matter in a very professional manner. Well done.

Hopefully, as a club, they can get Hardaker to knuckle down and toe the line.

We need our best players on the back pages not the front.

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Quote: Davc1h "I have to say as an outsider looking in, Wigan seem to have dealt with this matter in a very professional manner. Well done.

Hopefully, as a club, they can get Hardaker to knuckle down and toe the line.

We need our best players on the back pages not the front.'"

Hiya Zackariah good to see that it has only taken you until Tuesday to recover from your Friday night out in Pontecarlo.
You're fitness levels are obviously are on the up because you looked so ruff on Friday I thought that we wouldn't hear from you until at least the end of the week.
A bit of an update from over here in Wigan is that The Tudor pub has reopened and this should be a regular haunt for you as you can make lots of new chums there with the students from the college across the way.

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