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| To give it to anyone other than Lockers would be daft IMO
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| Lockers as captain but what about Gleeson as vice it might work out if needed?
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| I would have had Fielden as captain but as it is looking like he will be coming off the bench again, I would have to stick with Sean as long as he keeps leading from the front and growing in stature, a little extra talking and he will be great.
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| you need to select a player who is defo first choice in his postion and is going to play the full game...and that imo is to Lockers....
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| anyone but Lockers ffs
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| Quote: Coventry Warrior! "I want to know why someone voted for Tomkins?
And also who the two votes for others are?
IMO it should only be given to Lockers and if he is injured then Bailey would be my vice captain. Its good to see that Lockers has been giving the backing by the fans, last season was one of, if not the best season hes had with us.'"
Because unlike oloughlin (nothing against him btw), sam is a natural leader and already directs the team around the field and has something we have been missing in a captain since farrell, vision.
Giving him his head would just make him better at it IMO and the team would start to play off him more and more, improving this aspect of his game further. He already guides the team around massively anyway and it would be a natural step
Tomkins is already plays a captains role in the team now, look at all the ordering around he did last season despite being a rookie and in a new team. give him the opportunity and you'll see more of this.
You only have to look at how rudderless we are without sam to see what an impact he brings to the team, what organisation he brings to the team, and what tactically he gives the team....all qualities of a natural captain IMO
And whoever said he was too young ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) a certain Mr Farrel was captain of his country only 1yr older than sam!!
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| Farrell had played many more games than Sam has to date at first team level. I would think it is far better to let Sam gain more experience at this level and concentrate on his own game rather than trying to lead the entire team. As a HB he will be doing a lot of direction on the field anyway - that's part of his job. Sam may well be team captain one day - but not for now.
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| Quote: jjb10 "I would have had Fielden as captain'"
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| Quote: andyed-wiganrl "IMO
And whoever said he was too young
Leaving aside the fact that Farrell was once in a lifetime player who was a first team regular at 16 and became the youngest ever GB captain IIRC, don't you think you're heaping too much on Sam? He's not even done a full season as 1st choice in his position yet! The amount of bollox posted about Sam is ludicrous IMO. He's a future captain without a doubt but to give it him now would be irresponsible in the extreme.
Interestingly, when asked about who he goes to for help and advice, Sam replied "Sean O'Loughlin". That's the stature he has around the club. There's more to captaincy than shouting at the players from behind the sticks!
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| Quote: Grimmy "I really think taking the captaincy off Lockers would cause a lot of trouble with little reward at the end of it. McGuire could alienate the team in one fell swoop, and for what?'"
Well that is pure speculation isn't it? How about alienating the players because instead of going through the process of deciding who he thinks is the best man for job (which could well be Lockers in MM's eyes) he just sticks with the current captain while at the same time telling all the rest they must earn their spot in the team?
If you are going to run the thing based on merit you have to apply that principle to every decision you make and that includes choice of captain.
Quote: Grimmy " Most of the potential captains (Carmont, Deacon, Bailey) will retire in a year or two, leaving the successor looking like sloppy seconds. That's not the kind of forward thinking I want from a coach. The captain should be Lockers with Bailey as vice if/when he signs a new deal, if not then Leuluai.'"
Such considerations about how long players are going to be here might be factors in his decision but even so, if he thinks we stand a better chance with Carmont (for example) as captain than Lockers the fact Lockers will be here longer is no reason to stick with him if MM decides he does not provide the right sort of on field leadership. That sort of "there no one better" thinking does not address the issue (if there is one). The captain needs to be chosen as captain for positive reasons not just because the alternatives might be leaving in a year or two.
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| Quote: DaveO "Well that is pure speculation isn't it? How about alienating the players because instead of going through the process of deciding who he thinks is the best man for job (which could well be Lockers in MM's eyes) he just sticks with the current captain while at the same time telling all the rest they must earn their spot in the team?
If you are going to run the thing based on merit you have to apply that principle to every decision you make and that includes choice of captain.
Such considerations about how long players are going to be here might be factors in his decision but even so, if he thinks we stand a better chance with Carmont (for example) as captain than Lockers the fact Lockers will be here longer is no reason to stick with him if MM decides he does not provide the right sort of on field leadership. That sort of "there no one better" thinking does not address the issue (if there is one). The captain needs to be chosen as captain for positive reasons not just because the alternatives might be leaving in a year or two.
Dave'"
And who is your choice, Dave?
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| Quote: DaveO "Well that is pure speculation isn't it? How about alienating the players because instead of going through the process of deciding who he thinks is the best man for job (which could well be Lockers in MM's eyes) he just sticks with the current captain while at the same time telling all the rest they must earn their spot in the team?'"
I'd say it's a fair comment, he's a local lad and been captain for years now so lots of players are bound to feel loyal to him.
Quote: DaveO "If you are going to run the thing based on merit you have to apply that principle to every decision you make and that includes choice of captain.'"
Even if there is a better long term candidate (which I doubt) it would quite probably be too much too soon
Quote: DaveO "Such considerations about how long players are going to be here might be factors in his decision but even so, if he thinks we stand a better chance with Carmont (for example) as captain than Lockers the fact Lockers will be here longer is no reason to stick with him if MM decides he does not provide the right sort of on field leadership. That sort of "there no one better" thinking does not address the issue (if there is one). The captain needs to be chosen as captain for positive reasons not just because the alternatives might be leaving in a year or two.
Dave'"
Picking anyone who's leaving in a year two would be ridiculously short sighted.
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| Lockers should be captain. I thinkhe was a bit too young when he was made captain initially, but now he's getting a bit older and he is one of the players that the younger lads seem to look up to.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "And who is your choice, Dave?'"
I will leave that up to MM. Anyone he chooses is fine by me including Lockers because if he goes through the process then I am happy to accept his choice. I do not think Lockers got the job originally for any other reason Millward was being Millward and I think Lockers kept it because Noble was being Noble. I am sure you know what I mean by that.
If he qualifies for the job under MM then he will be the first senior coach since he became captain who will have given him the job based on his ability as a captain in my opinion.
If I was pressed for an alternative I'd give it to Deacon provided he gets 7 and Riddell is number 27
Dave
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| sean is the player for captain the only player who would be captain is phil bailey. i suppose paul deacon was captain of bradford but he is new to the side but long term sam is the future captain but not for 3-4 years too young. i know andy farrell was captain at 21 but had played in the first team for 3 years before being captain
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