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Quote: muttywhitedog "I said "last 6 years".

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The losses have not come from falling attendances but more from off field investments. I’d say the falling attendances are hugely significant but more to do the dull style of rugby that got us the trophies. IL said as much himself when he said his brief to Waney was to win and that attractive rugby was less important. Fans have said they want more attractive rugby and the chairman has acted on it but fans are now not prepared to wait for the transition.
He can’t win!

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "

After the debacle of Barcelona which bright spark at the club thought the time was right for IL to state that Lam is favourite for the coaching job?'"


To be fair the comment was made during the meet and greet the day before the game.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "To be fair the comment was made during the meet and greet the day before the game.'"

The players I believe do not rate Lam. I got that 3rd hand so to speak over the weekend but trust the source. I want Lam to succeed but honestly don't think he has the ability to deliver. We are a total shambles at the moment on and off the pitch. I cannot recall one piece of good news this season.
Hastings wanted another week to consider our offer. We should have told him to forget it and move on the next target. Just another example for me of non existent leadership.
The performance on Saturday was like watching a horror story. Totally and utterly useless. Lam for me just doesn't cut the mustard.

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If you were in Hastings' shoes, would you come to Wigan?

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In terms of squad quality, I see many similarities between us an Man Utd in Fergie's last season. He left just as the squad he had developed was about to start falling apart due to age etc. They replaced top drawer players with average joes and the odd big name who never fitted in.

The squad needs a wholesale clear-out, but there needs to be an acknowledgement from the owner that we will not be competing for trophies for a couple of years and then price his offering accordingly. Fans want value for money, be that wins and trophies, or entertaining games. At the moment, we are getting neither.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "I wouldn’t take any of these above Lam.'"



What has Lam done to make him still eligible for the job?

I see:

-15 games in, 4 points off the bottom and 4 points off sixth
-9 games lost already
-A lacklustre attack which seems to have no structure or idea what to do
-Weak defence which sees us on a -9 points difference with a high amounts of soft tries scored against us this season
-Poor disengaged attitude from the players
-Loss of aggression and competitive edge which Madge installed and Wane built upon


It baffles me how he can even be considered.

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With due respect to both London and Leeds it’s a good job they’re doing their best to try and get relegated as all i see a team bereft of ideas plodding round the park doing very little..if this is the best Lam can come up with then it’s time to go,half a season was the litmus test he’s here now and he simply hasn’t got to grasp with the task in hand.

So what if he’s had injuries every team bar saints have had personnel out at times it’s prt and parcel of the game,yes he lost Bateman a vital cog in the machine but he should have sorted that by now,most fans would give him more time if there was any clue to what progression there has been so far but very few can see it,baffling attack and weak defence it’s a recipe for disaster

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Quote: Trainman "And out of that lot the only one that could/would come in mid season is Flanagan. Marquee spot is irrelevant unless we have the £150k cap space to spend in the first place. I’m only guessing but Hamlin & Ganson would give us 40 - 50k at best when you take into account what they have already been paid this season.'"


I reckon Ganson was on £20k and Hamlin £70k, that’s £90k plus anything else we had left over.

You think that only Flanagan would come mid season? If we wanted Demetriou or Morgan they’d be released straight away, if it were any of the others then a transfer fee would need to be paid.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Quote: Bigredwarrior "The losses have not come from falling attendances but more from off field investments. I’d say the falling attendances are hugely significant but more to do the dull style of rugby that got us the trophies. IL said as much himself when he said his brief to Waney was to win and that attractive rugby was less important. Fans have said they want more attractive rugby and the chairman has acted on it but fans are now not prepared to wait for the transition.
He can’t win!'"


Off field investments? Like the Wollongong and Millwall jaunts? So it’s right he gets stuck then would you agree?

It’s great he puts his own money in, but so does every other owner of every sporting team worldwide with few exceptions.

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Quote: post "Off field investments? Like the Wollongong and Millwall jaunts? So it’s right he gets stuck then would you agree?

It’s great he puts his own money in, but so does every other owner of every sporting team worldwide with few exceptions.'"


The trip to Australia made money for the club, just not as much as was hoped. All the club costs (including Hull FC) were met by the Wollongong / Sydney Tourism Board. The Millwall trip resulted in new corporate sponsorship so again, brought money in and was not funded out of his own pocket. He’s also set up the Wigan Warriors Business Club.
The off field investments were in the total upgrade of training facilities, the Central Park Academy and now the investment at Robin Park. He clearly focused on building the infrastructure of the club. You can’t build a house on sand, it needs a solid foundation.

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Quote: post "I reckon Ganson was on £20k and Hamlin £70k, that’s £90k plus anything else we had left over.

You think that only Flanagan would come mid season? If we wanted Demetriou or Morgan they’d be released straight away, if it were any of the others then a transfer fee would need to be paid.'"


So if your reckoning is correct as both players were paid for about half their contract that would give us 45k to spend this year.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Quote: Trainman "So if your reckoning is correct as both players were paid for about half their contract that would give us 45k to spend this year.'"


So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



Quote: Bigredwarrior "The trip to Australia made money for the club, just not as much as was hoped. All the club costs (including Hull FC) were met by the Wollongong / Sydney Tourism Board. The Millwall trip resulted in new corporate sponsorship so again, brought money in and was not funded out of his own pocket. He’s also set up the Wigan Warriors Business Club.
The off field investments were in the total upgrade of training facilities, the Central Park Academy and now the investment at Robin Park. He clearly focused on building the infrastructure of the club. You can’t build a house on sand, it needs a solid foundation.'"


I’m not turning this into a ‘Everything Lenagan has ever done has been brilliant or rubbish’ thread and everyone chooses sides.

Ian Lenagan said Lam is the front runner for the job, anyone who believes Lam has done enough to be in the running for the job must be deluded because he has failed spectacularly regardless of injuries and squad quality.

The statement of Lenagan not taking games on the road again because he received negative feedback is tough titties Ian, we are Wigan and should play out home games at home. We have the Magic Weekend for new territory to be explored, though it’s nice to scope out new venues in sunny places and it looks good to play in those venues, the fact of the matter is we aren’t a franchise. No wonder crowd figures are in free fall.

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Quote: post "So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me.'"


All there for you in black and white.

https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=273
Quote: post "So then you’d still get a £90k player then? I’m sure someone could enlighten me.'"


All there for you in black and white.

https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/ ... html#p=273


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Quote: post "I’m not turning this into a ‘Everything Lenagan has ever done has been brilliant or rubbish’ thread and everyone chooses sides.

Ian Lenagan said Lam is the front runner for the job, anyone who believes Lam has done enough to be in the running for the job must be deluded because he has failed spectacularly regardless of injuries and squad quality.

The statement of Lenagan not taking games on the road again because he received negative feedback is tough titties Ian, we are Wigan and should play out home games at home. We have the Magic Weekend for new territory to be explored, though it’s nice to scope out new venues in sunny places and it looks good to play in those venues, the fact of the matter is we aren’t a franchise. No wonder crowd figures are in free fall.'"


You can’t just say “regardless of injuries and squad quality”. Pep Guardiola wouldn’t win the premier league with Wigan Athletic when he’s only been able to name the same side on two occasions. That goes for Holbrook, Price etc. Injuries and squad quality are hugely decisive factors in how a team performs...

I’d give him a two/three year deal, make significant changes to the squad and judge him next year. If we’re still not competing, fair enough. But this year was always about transition.

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