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| Can't say he'll be missed.
All the impact of a ping-pong ball, more often than not and at 31, he's not going to get any better, I wouldn't have thought.
Just hope we can bring someone in - Preferably a specialist right centre, and absolutley NOT Hardaker for me (should be banned for 2 years).
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| Slim chance we’ll bring someone new in now. Suspect we’ll bank the spare cash in case we have yet another injury crisis and need to bring someone in mid-season. Just hope it’s not on the level of Larne Patrick or Andy Powell.
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| Whilst he may not have delivered what we all hoped for, I think he’s had more stick than he deserved. Don’t forget that when we suffered the major injury crisis last season, FPN was an ever present in a very often inexperienced side. His performances were steady if not spectacular and I wish him and his family well.
I only hope we use the cap space well and maybe offer half of it to Bateman!!
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "Whilst he may not have delivered what we all hoped for, I think he’s had more stick than he deserved. Don’t forget that when we suffered the major injury crisis last season, FPN was an ever present in a very often inexperienced side. His performances were steady if not spectacular and I wish him and his family well.
I only hope we use the cap space well and maybe offer half of it to Bateman!!'"
If you are a top earner and don't perform then criticism is I feel almost inevitable. He may have played on a regular basis but he never really turned up. His missus telling everyone that wanted to listen or even if they didn't that she couldn't stand Wigan only fuelled resentment amongst many fans.
I just thought that he was pretty useless and for the size of the guy a little embarrassing with ball in hand. As you say though good luck to him and his family as you wouldn't want any ill luck to fall on anyone.
Re Bateman I partly share your sentiments however, if he is determined to go then let the lad go.
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| May sound harsh but I'll be happy when he's gone. Ending this 'will he won't he go' boring saga.
We have depth in the props, his cap space can be used to better effect elsewhere.
Bye bye Frank you ever-present plodder.
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| I have to say the criticism has been OTT, I am pleased and no doubt so is he that he’s gone. I have a wife and kids and can’t imagine living on the opposite side of the world to them. There’s no doubt that would have affected his performances.
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23350_1468449137.jpg [quote="roger daly":1a7cbd66]Oh dear, I believe you would be classed as s[sic] typical Wigan fan[/quote:1a7cbd66]
[quote="wrencat1873":1a7cbd66]It's the mighty Wigan, they can do whatever they want.[/quote:1a7cbd66]
[quote="Big lads mate":1a7cbd66]you arrogant pot prick[/quote:1a7cbd66]
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[quote="Willzay":1a7cbd66]you cocky pie eating c*nt.[/quote:1a7cbd66]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23350.jpg |
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| Has FPN played in SL this season?
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| Quote: Suzy Banyon "Has FPN played in SL this season?'"
Yes
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23350_1468449137.jpg [quote="roger daly":1a7cbd66]Oh dear, I believe you would be classed as s[sic] typical Wigan fan[/quote:1a7cbd66]
[quote="wrencat1873":1a7cbd66]It's the mighty Wigan, they can do whatever they want.[/quote:1a7cbd66]
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| Quote: Jukesays "Yes'"
So his full wage for this season counts on the cap then?
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| Quote: Suzy Banyon "So his full wage for this season counts on the cap then?'"
The way I understand it I think that's the case unless he signs for someone else.
For instance, if we were paying him £100K and then he signed for Castleford and they paid him £50K, then £50K would still count on our cap.
I'm not sure how it works if he moves to the NRL though.
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| TBH it wouldn't matter whether he had played or not, as he is in the top 25 earners, so counts automatically.
Quote: Players "Section 3.1.1 of the Salary Cap Rules (Page 268 of the Super League Salary Cap Regulations Guide)
A club's "Players" are
However, we may only need to declare the wages actually paid to FPN, meaning that if we have released him with no further payment, we should only need to declare the amount paid this year to date (I think) - The declaration of the whole year's wages was to stop players being registered/de-registered or moving to a coaching capacity to get them off the SC.
Additionally, even if we did have to declare a year's worth of wages (which I doubt), we can ask to go over the cap under section 3.1.1 (d), which states
Quote: Players "A club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the HDPGS to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified. In making a decision, the HDPGS will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factors
So to my mind, either we only need to declare the value of actual payments made to FPN (1.5 months out of 12), or we declare the lot, but request dispensation to go over the cap by 10.5/12 months, due to the player leaving.
(If anyone's interested/sad enough and can interpret the rules better than I can, take a look at rlhttp://www.rugby-league.com/operational-rules-2018/#p)
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "Whilst he may not have delivered what we all hoped for, I think he’s had more stick than he deserved. Don’t forget that when we suffered the major injury crisis last season, FPN was an ever present in a very often inexperienced side. His performances were steady if not spectacular and I wish him and his family well.'"
I agree and I thought he had positive impact at the end of 2016 and made a significant contribution to winning the GF. I was looking forward to a big season from him in 2017 but for whatever reason he went backwards and it didn't work out.
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| Quote: DaveO "I agree and I thought he had positive impact at the end of 2016 and made a significant contribution to winning the GF. I was looking forward to a big season from him in 2017 but for whatever reason he went backwards and it didn't work out.'"
That’s the story of his career.
Bags of potential, bags of hype, but always after a good start seen his form slip off.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
"The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth."
Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: Suzy Banyon "So his full wage for this season counts on the cap then?'"
No
I'm not the best at explain this but it basically splits into12 monthly payments.
Once he has been released then his monthly wage is released assuming we haven't agreed to either pay it in full or part of.
I know this isn't exact but say salary cap was 2.4million then we can pay out 200k per month. If FPN was on 20k pwr month (240k per year) and he left with wigan not paying anymore then we can pay out 20k per month more to players.
Daveo explained this very well once on a previous thread.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
"The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth."
Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Its to stop teams say spending 400k in the first 4 months of the season then going buying all the top players half way through and paying 2million in the back half of year.
Hope that makes sense.
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