He was second to O'Loughlin in the tackles made and was not the only player missing tackles; he may not be prop but he is quick and fit enough to cover any of the back row psoitions

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Carmont
Richards
Finch
Leuluai
Prescott
McIlorum
Lauaki
Hock
Hansen
O'Loughlin

Lima
Flower
Farrell
Hughes



Have gone with Lima on the bench to add a little bite at rotation time, and Hughes is in there for 2 reasons. Mainly to cover for George in case he has a problem (possibly his fitness if the game is quick. He hasn't played for a month don't forget) but if George is ok then he can play in the SR and let H or Hock puch up into the front row if things are going wrong in that department.

MM needs to start in defence like he did against Leeds, Catalans and the GF against Stains. We MUST shut Monaghan down. Without him, Briers can't play his normal game either.

does nobody think flower is like hansen a few season ago? plenty of attitude and willingness but not the body to match it? flower will only improve just as hansen has.

Tony Smith said Monaghan struggled on Sunday after Wakey targeted him because he lacked match fitness. I believe he's had ops on both knees so it may take him a few weeks to get up to speed.

The 2 players I always want to see us target are Monaghan and Westwood. Michael Mobaghan is such a clever hooker and he's the heartbeat of their side even more so then Briers. As for Westwood he's their pack leader and if you let him run riot the rest of their pack will follow.

This season he has easily been one of our best players and is getting better every game. Still got a long way to keep it going this season but so far so good imo.

Agree

He's not your dull, trundling Second Rower if that's what you want.

He makes things happen with his offloads, and as others have pointed out, those coaches that know a lot more about Rugby League than you clearly disagree.

As much as Hocks "Brain-farts" are annoying, and i have been critical, he must be a bloody nightmare to defend against. Strong, fast, and difficult to get a hold of. And, you have no idea if he will offload or not. These types of unpredicabilities make him an asset in structured play, as well as a liability. Great value for money in my view.

I do think he's being a bit more selective with his offloads, even though he is giving up posession still. Having said that, although it's frustrating, I do think what Hock offers us in attack is worth one error a game. What does need to change is the amount of penalties he is giving up, he's worse than ever this year. 9 penalties in 7 games is an absolute sin.

He needs to cut out stupid penalties at crucial times. Didn't he give the penalty away that got Widnes in position for their DG?

Second highest penalty conceder in SL.

You know people used to say the same about Lockers but the amount of work he got through the penalty's were quite small i'm not saying it's the same with Hock cause i dont take note on how much he really does in defense but i will do from now on

His offloads look good when they come off he just tries everytime he takes a ball in

Lockers is a bit of a penalty machine too, and never moreso than last year when he gave up 26 penalties in 26 games. The difference though, as you alude to, is that Lockers makes twice as many tackles, and plays the full 80 in nearly every game.

thats harsh on lockers hes not half as bad as he used to be

Two of Hocks penalties have been for mouthing off, and that is unforgivable.

Cas away, makes a half break demolishing their centre and proceeds to throw the ball over his shoulder without looking 10 yards behind our line stripping us of all our momentum. I could name many more examples from just this season, ignoring the eye gouging last season. He will cost us big in a big game this season and that's why he's not Wigan quality - too much of an idiot.