God forbid that I will defend Saints fans, but as of yet I've not seen any of them discussing the WCC

All I have seen is people claiming that Saints are the underdogs, I would hardly call that 'unbearably arrogant'.

was just reading the bookies are giving saints 4 point start for handicap betting for 80 minutes for the game, sounds about right.

Exactly!!

From most fans of either club I have seen nothing but excitement mixed with nerves about the game. Most comments have been about hoping the game is as good as the build up for it!

As a Saints fan I am over the moon we have made it as at points in the season I thought we had no hope of getting close to the final, if we win it is just the icing on the cake. If we lose of course I will be disappointed but as long as its a good game I certainly won't be to upset.

Im shocked Saints have got a 4 point start. I would of given them 2 at the most, in fact i reckon this game should be scratch both sides.

another one !

who are you saying will win the final please

no if you go to willhill.com the outriht odds are 8/13 Wigan 6/5 St Helens

quite a gap, but it represents the form to be fair.

8/13 outright is a stinker of a price. I dont know what form you are talking about because Saints have lost 1 in about their last ten and we have deffo lost more than that.

come on you can do it, let your heart fight your head and type it, we wont hold it against you, promise

not my form calcs, those are William Hill's

I think if I am making a book for the game the key facts are

- 2010 all results
- how the teams have performed against handicap week on week, weighted to recent 6 weeks.
- injuries and team news
- liabilities on already placed bets for grand final winners ( such as yours truly )

so looking at 2010, Wigan have won more games, much better points difference, have no serious injury worries, and just about anyone who placed a bet on this game will have backed Wigan, we looked unstoppable at Leeds really really unstoppable, and the home defeat will have been allocated to ref error / cheating, we did actually deserve to win that game.

So for me I would have it as 6 points start for the scummers.

Nothing like a big derby game to bring out the Johnny-Come-Latelys

I've not seen many examples of arrogance from either set of fans. I think it shows how it's too close to call.

Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought we won it in '98...i'm sure i was at the match, 10-4 against Leeds i think if i'm not mistaken

The poster I replied to was talking about 4 GF losses on the spin - so including a Saints loss in 2010.

If you turn it round (i.e. Saints win in 2010) it would be 2 wins in 5 years for Saints v no wins in 12 years for Wigan (99,00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,10).

OK , i get your point now