No, you simply proved the development wouldnt be paid for up front. Well done on that. Im not sure who said it would be paid for up front or who you think you have proved this to, but well done all the same

you seem to be misunderstanding, so many times, that i can only expect it to be deliberate. There are revenue streams, that Leeds are putting in place which are deliberately and specifically for the payment of the southstand development. The day-to-day financing of the clubs isnt affected by this. You for some reason are insisting that despite there being specific and dedicated revenue streams which will pay for the southstand which are outside the general revenue streams of the club, that the the clubs finances will somehow be affected. I've asked you before for an example of this but you for some reason you cannot give us an example of this, and it is only now that you have realised that your wild speculation and nonsense has been found out that you are question the existence of these revenue streams. I know there are many having had discussions with Rob Oates on how they would be implemented, as you said, you can earn money by advising companies on how to minimise, sometimes to the point of none-existence, the impact of capital expenditure on the day-to-day financing of the a business. Not all of that information is in the public domain however, so it would be wrong for me to release it on here just to prove you are talking nonsense about something you know nothing about and have done for a fair amount of time

However............

It is your assertion that the finances of Leeds Rhinos are moved from the playing side of things to the building of the stadium, it is up to you to prove it. Considering the little hissy fit you are throwing regarding my assertion that Quins have the cheapest playing squad in SL (and your strange insistence that i havent answered a question you hadnt asked) it would expose huge hypocrisy on your part if you couldnt provide any evidence that this was the case, especially as you have already promised us that you werent wildly speculating!

you wont ask it again, this is the first time you have asked it, and only now to try and save face after your ridiculous speculation and nonsense. However, I simply thought it commonly known that this was the case, obviously, and im very well prepared to admit, there is no evidence in the public domain to say this was the case.


how many played in Leeds LSS and GF winning season in 2009? 5.

so are so you saying Leeds Rhinos arent going to pay for the work? If so I now get you, if not then thats the point hes getting at. IF it cost you money it hits your bottom line. It may be accounted for and a budget set but it still hits the bottom line.

No wild speculation from me, simple economics says the budgets of the club will come under pressure due to the extent of the redevelopment, especially when it will involve still using the stadium at the same time the changes are being made. There will be a host of things to pay for (some of which I've indicated over the last couple of pages) which you've obviously either haven't read or didn't want to.

You keep going on about these magical "ring-fenced" revenue streams that are going to suddenly appear to pay for everything, that mean Leeds will get everything for free - make you wonder why they didn't sort the redevelopment out years ago doesn't it. What are they? How much?




So that was the first time I asked was it?

Bottom of page 20 I asked

How many Grand Final winners who has a GF winner ring? You know those who might be regarded as proper first teamers.

WLA, I'll help you.

Only Burgess, and he is older than Joel Tomkins.

I suppose we could also claim that Sam Tomkins, Liam Farrell, Chris Tuson, Stef Marsh, Josh Charnley, Ben Davies and John Walker played in Wigans 2010 Grand final winning season.

At least two of them have winners rings though.

Ambler came from Salford, Pitts from Wakefield and Amour from Whitehaven.
Grow your own eh!!!!!!

I knew the answer was only Burgess I just wanted to see if Smokey could bring himself to admit it - spoilsport!