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Quote: rugbyleague88 "Still a big weakness under the high ball, dropped one and bottled another. Aussies will pepper him in the World Cup.'"


He used to be fantastic under the high ball. Since the Leeds CC semi last year when he dropped a couple he's never been the same.

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Tomkins defence is suspect

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Has he ever done anything against a big team this year? He is unplayable against the crap teams but goes missing against the big teams.

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Quote: FIOS "Has he ever done anything against a big team this year? He is unplayable against the crap teams but goes missing against the big teams.'"


You can't just give him the ball and say 'there you go Sam do something' (well possibly against London). He game relies on getting the ball in the space to show what he can do, for whatever reason that's not happening at the moment.

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Even tonight you could see he is a class act. Very hard to do anything in a team that is doing nothing.

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err you mean since he signed for the warriors, he has stopped putting his neck on the line.

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Tomkins to stand off for me.

Pointless playing him on the fringes against good teams, they can read "The Move" and this leaves him with no space. That's why he's seemed so anonymous.

He's the best player we have, surely he should be getting the ball as much as possible? He's not just a "runner", he's the most complete stand off at the club, if not the league. People seemed to have forgotten this, including Wane.

This isn't some knee-jerk reaction either, our predictable attack has been plodding along for months, and this seems to me a great way to shake it up. Hampshire can cover fullback, although hopefully he won't be seen as a long term fullback solution given the fact he too is a very complete stand off.

Tomkins is the best player in the league, let's use him!

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Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "You can't just give him the ball and say 'there you go Sam do something' (well possibly against London). He game relies on getting the ball in the space to show what he can do, for whatever reason that's not happening at the moment.'"


Exactly. In the NRL he will go fine provided his team give him the space to work. I expect they won't be reliant on just him either so it won't be a case of shut "Sam down shut Wigan down" which means the opposition won't be able to afford the luxury of just looking after Sam.

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Quote: halftimepie "Tomkins to stand off for me.

Pointless playing him on the fringes against good teams, they can read "The Move" and this leaves him with no space. That's why he's seemed so anonymous.

He's the best player we have, surely he should be getting the ball as much as possible? He's not just a "runner", he's the most complete stand off at the club, if not the league. People seemed to have forgotten this, including Wane.

This isn't some knee-jerk reaction either, our predictable attack has been plodding along for months, and this seems to me a great way to shake it up. Hampshire can cover fullback, although hopefully he won't be seen as a long term fullback solution given the fact he too is a very complete stand off.

Tomkins is the best player in the league, let's use him!'"


Greens playing awful, so why not

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Quote: halftimepie "Tomkins to stand off for me.

Pointless playing him on the fringes against good teams, they can read "The Move" and this leaves him with no space. That's why he's seemed so anonymous.

He's the best player we have, surely he should be getting the ball as much as possible? He's not just a "runner", he's the most complete stand off at the club, if not the league. People seemed to have forgotten this, including Wane.

This isn't some knee-jerk reaction either, our predictable attack has been plodding along for months, and this seems to me a great way to shake it up. Hampshire can cover fullback, although hopefully he won't be seen as a long term fullback solution given the fact he too is a very complete stand off.

Tomkins is the best player in the league, let's use him!'"


So you want him as a first reciever ball distributer? cos that's how we play our halves.

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The reason we can't move Sam to 6 is Jack Murphy. He looked a good prospect, was thrown in the play off against Leeds, overall had a decent game but made one crucial mistake. Where is he now? All Confidence and self belief he had is probably gone.

Play offs are not the time to out in kids who have had a handful of games. I don't want Hampshire or Tierney to go the way of Murphy. If Sam goes to 6 one of those will play FB. An out of sorts Green IMO is a better option than a kid. Their time will come.

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Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "The reason we can't move Sam to 6 is Jack Murphy. He looked a good prospect, was thrown in the play off against Leeds, overall had a decent game but made one crucial mistake. Where is he now? All Confidence and self belief he had is probably gone.

Play offs are not the time to out in kids who have had a handful of games. I don't want Hampshire or Tierney to go the way of Murphy. If Sam goes to 6 one of those will play FB. An out of sorts Green IMO is a better option than a kid. Their time will come.'"


I would put Richards to fullback, some will say that he wouldn't offer anything in attack, Sam is offering nothing in attack at present the way we are playing. As well a certain "Scotsman" at Hudds is certain to try and bomb Sam out of the game and at times lately he has looked a bit dodgy at judging them.

Play Burgess on the wing with Sam at halfback, we have got to try and vary the play to try and get out of the massive rut we are in at present.

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Quote: stillinthepast "I would put Richards to fullback, some will say that he wouldn't offer anything in attack, Sam is offering nothing in attack at present the way we are playing. As well a certain "Scotsman" at Hudds is certain to try and bomb Sam out of the game, at times lately he has looked a bit dodgy at judging them.

Play Burgess on the wing with Sam at halfback, we have got to try and vary the play to try and get out of the massive rut we are in at present.'"


By 'times lately' do you mean since moving to fullback?

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Quote: Conroy "By 'times lately' do you mean since moving to fullback?'"


What I meant is that Sam has bottled out of even going for the bomb at times and has waited for it to bounce.
With Richards at fullback to deal with the Danny Brough bombs I would feel safer.

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