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| Quote: FearTheVee "He’s already had a great WCC performance in a weakened saints team against the roosters (honestly - I think you should go back and watch his spells in that game). The other two since have been cancelled.
His problem for the WC is that he won’t be in a pack alongside fearsome players like the pack you are mentioning who all played together. He’ll be the only one with any intimidation factor/impact bar maybe tom burgess.
If he’s fit he will be heavily targeted (as he is every week) but will still end up being England’s best prop by a distance I’m sure.
I'm also not sure I ever saw Fielden/Peacock/Morley dominate an Aussie pack. They certainly held their own at times but having followed England/GB both here and down under when those guys were playing, I don't really recall any dominance up front (we certainly talked about it a lot leading into series but unfortunately it never quite happened!!). Maybe the 2004 Tri-Nations - excluding the final of course (which is still probably the most gutting result in my lifetime).'"
your right, he will have him and one of the Burgess's thats it really
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Absolute madness isn’t it?! The unbelievable thing about that is Morley was on loan from the Roosters IIRC (or a short term deal until he went to Wire maybe). Imagine being in a position of having Fielden, Peacock and Vagana in your side and going ‘I think we need more, let’s get Adrian Morley’
I can't comment on form at that time but Vagana was an absolute beast for Bradford. I don't place Satae, good though he is, in anything like that company. Oledzki is still a work in progress for mine as can be seen from recent Leeds performances. He's a good player and prospect, no doubt, but he doesn't even get close to the Bradford 4 at this stage of his career.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "I can't comment on form at that time but Vagana was an absolute beast for Bradford. I don't place Satae, good though he is, in anything like that company. Oledzki is still a work in progress for mine as can be seen from recent Leeds performances. He's a good player and prospect, no doubt, but he doesn't even get close to the Bradford 4 at this stage of his career.'"
A brilliant player aye. I always remember Keith Senior picking a fight with him at the Reebok during a heavy defeat in the 2000 World Cup and Vagana pasted him. He came to Superleague after that and was superb.
It highlights the difference to today’s superleague. Guys like Vagana, Craig Smith, Cayless etc could’ve easily continued to get a place in top NRL teams. The lads that come here now are guys like Satae, Ellis, Mago, Prior Paasi etc who are all looking like ‘good’ players but were either fringe NRL players or forced out from clubs and were unlikely to pick up a regular start at anything other than the bottom sides.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "It highlights the difference to today’s superleague. Guys like Vagana, Craig Smith, Cayless etc could’ve easily continued to get a place in top NRL teams. The lads that come here now are guys like Satae, Ellis, Mago, Prior Paasi etc who are all looking like ‘good’ players but were either fringe NRL players or forced out from clubs and were unlikely to pick up a regular start at anything other than the bottom sides.'"
Salary cap/exchange rate was in our favour then
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Salary cap/exchange rate was in our favour then'"
Agreed. A big reason why Scully never went to Aus.
NK is right in what he says, we don't get players in their peak now from overseas, we either get the fringe ones like he mentions or we get the bad boys. Occasionally we get the good ones, Barba (for 6 months) Lyon, Hastings etc that rip up the comp. Unfortunately for SL, they invariably go straight back to the NRL.
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| Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "Peacock is hands down, the greatest super league prop.
Fielden and Morley were no way as constistent and once Fielden got punched by Mason, he just went backwards at an alarming rate. Even before that, in big games he was so hit and miss. Sometimes he would boss the game and others, he would be invisible. Peacock was never invisible.
Walmsley has surpassed Fielden and I also think Morley but there is no way he would ever surpass Peacock'"
Not a patch on Morley he did it in the hardest league on earth
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| Quote: Stu M "Too much is being made of this "world class" tag. Personally and with all due respect I couldn't give a damn whether Wigan fans think he is or not. He is the best prop in the comp by a distance and his metres made stats are insane. I do think he has weaknesses in his game particularly his footwork in defence and he is still untidy with his ptb, maybe that's due to his size.
SOL was an incredible player, unfortunately at the end of his career his injuries really hampered him in terms of games played. Funnily enough he always seemed to be fit for the Saints games.'"
Will never forget that pass left to right straight to Sarge for his try not many could have done that at pace
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| Quote: Egg Chasing "Salary cap/exchange rate was in our favour then'"
Indeed. The exchange rate doesn’t get mentioned much but around that time I went to the Ashes in Australia (cricket version) and you were getting just shy of $3 to the pound. When you consider it’s around half that now, it’s an absolutely massive difference and with the boom of the game down under, it’s put paid to that type of player coming over.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Absolute madness isn’t it?! The unbelievable thing about that is Morley was on loan from the Roosters IIRC (or a short term deal until he went to Wire maybe). Imagine being in a position of having Fielden, Peacock and Vagana in your side and going ‘I think we need more, let’s get Adrian Morley’
I remember it was the time when you could make an end of season signing to play the last few games. Wire got Johns and Bradford got Morley. I absolutely loved it as some of the world's best players came over & it created a buzz. Of course that was too much fun for SL and the loophole was quickly closed.
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| Quote: Jason65 "Not a patch on Morley he did it in the hardest league on earth'"
See, again this is where I struggle. Morley was good in the NRL, as was Graham.
I didn't need to see Morley or Graham in the NRL to know they were top players. This premise that Morley is better than Peacock simply because he played in the NRL is nonsense IMO. We're able to form judgements based on what we see - and Jamie Peacock was a brilliant prop and a brilliant leader.
How anyone can say Peacock was "not a patch on" Morley simply beacuse he didn't play in the NRL is just daft.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "See, again this is where I struggle. Morley was good in the NRL, as was Graham.
I didn't need to see Morley or Graham in the NRL to know they were top players. This premise that Morley is better than Peacock simply because he played in the NRL is nonsense IMO. We're able to form judgements based on what we see - and Jamie Peacock was a brilliant prop and a brilliant leader.
How anyone can say Peacock was "not a patch on" Morley simply beacuse he didn't play in the NRL is just daft.'"
I have to disagree with this sadly, as it is how you perform in a top league that counts. There's no 'given' that a player can do it in another league - Josh Perry being a great example.
Yeah we can say JP was a top player and the "patch" comment is obviously wrong, but it does differentiate the two.
OT, but it's why I always say Ronaldo is better than Messi. We know Messi is quality, but Ronlado has done it across the major leagues.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "See, again this is where I struggle. Morley was good in the NRL, as was Graham.
I didn't need to see Morley or Graham in the NRL to know they were top players. This premise that Morley is better than Peacock simply because he played in the NRL is nonsense IMO. We're able to form judgements based on what we see - and Jamie Peacock was a brilliant prop and a brilliant leader.
How anyone can say Peacock was "not a patch on" Morley simply beacuse he didn't play in the NRL is just daft.'"
No you have got this wrong Walmsley not a patch on Morley that is what I mean.
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| Peacock was one hell of a player and leader up there with the best as is Morley.
But not Walmsley (yet) he isnt a leader like those 2 and Lockers and the ginger one all great players and leaders
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| Peacock was one hell of a player and leader up there with the best as is Morley.
But not Walmsley (yet) he isnt a leader like those 2 and Lockers and the ginger one all great players and leaders
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| Quote: FearTheVee "See, again this is where I struggle. Morley was good in the NRL, as was Graham.
I didn't need to see Morley or Graham in the NRL to know they were top players. This premise that Morley is better than Peacock simply because he played in the NRL is nonsense IMO. We're able to form judgements based on what we see - and Jamie Peacock was a brilliant prop and a brilliant leader.
How anyone can say Peacock was "not a patch on" Morley simply beacuse he didn't play in the NRL is just daft.'"
Totally different types of prop in truth. I’m sure he’d still be absolute class Morley but his game would need to be different now or else he’d be sat in the stands even more than he was. Peacock was an absolute grafter. His metres per carry was actually pretty low but he’s just go and go and go and was such an impressive leader.
We didn’t need to see Peacock or Roby in the NRL to admit they were world class but nowadays it’s tough to prove it solely in this superleague because of a lack of quality across the board.
I think Walmsley should go and test himself tbh
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