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| Quote: Pieman "Hes also been banned of numerous other platforms for in effect spreading misinformation on Covid after numerous warnings, the other people mentioned wrote the Great Barrington Declaration which has been ridiculed and called nonsense and dangerous of such people as Anthony Fauci and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus so yeah you did well pointing out them people ![]()
Fauci and Adhanom? You are having a laugh!
Which eminent scientists have ridiculed the Great Barrington Agreement? Did any other scientists agree with them? As for Malone, what misinformation has he spread? Which scientist has accused him of doing so? I think he should know a thing or two about mRNA vaccines, don't you?
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| Quote: Pieman "if something is proven wrong it is misinformation, you think they would stop him for 2-3, my cousin is a anti covid looney and is warned daily on her feed, and shes not banned yet so got knows how much garbage he is spouted. It wouldnt get pinned as misinformation if its fact to be fair....'"
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| Quote: Pieman "if something is proven wrong it is misinformation, you think they would stop him for 2-3, my cousin is a anti covid looney and is warned daily on her feed, and shes not banned yet so got knows how much garbage he is spouted. It wouldnt get pinned as misinformation if its fact to be fair....'"
Does that mean you don’t know who has said it is misinformation?
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| Quote: Sweaty Betty's "Fauci and Adhanom? You are having a laugh!
Which eminent scientists have ridiculed the Great Barrington Agreement? Did any other scientists agree with them? As for Malone, what misinformation has he spread? Which scientist has accused him of doing so? I think he should know a thing or two about mRNA vaccines, don't you?'"
mRNA vaccines and how the pandemic should be dealt with are different things dont you think? One is his speciality the other really isnt....erm Fauci disagreed with it like Is aid, who set the blueprint for him to invent the mRNA vaccine....that one not good enough?
rlhttps://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/rl
rlhttps://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/fake-malonerl
EDIT - I posted them 2 links as they arent from the MSM so didnt melt your tin hat.... | | | |
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| Quote: WiganRL12345 "Does that mean you don’t know who has said it is misinformation?
Also, what information has been proven wrong?'"
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he invented the vaccine then said the vaccine wouldnt work and get vaccinated,,,thats the story in short for you both...enjoy
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| Quote: Pieman "he invented the vaccine then said the vaccine wouldnt work and get vaccinated,,,thats the story in short for you both...enjoy'"
That’s not true, he doesn’t say the ‘vaccine’ won’t work.
He says that vaccinating everyone now won’t work
He says that vaccinating everyone and in particular children isn’t the right approach
He says that the narrative is perceived the be fact and any other alternative view is classed as miss information and promoting vaccine hesitancy
He says that there is no information that discussing the risks involved in taking the vaccine | | |
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| Quote: WiganRL12345 "That’s not true, he doesn’t say the ‘vaccine’ won’t work.
He says that vaccinating everyone now won’t work
He says that vaccinating everyone and in particular children isn’t the right approach
He says that the narrative is perceived the be fact and any other alternative view is classed as miss information and promoting vaccine hesitancy
He says that there is no information that discussing the risks involved in taking the vaccine'"
mmmmm, whats the difference....if you vaccine everyone will it not work? if not then the vaccine doesnt work, but...it will work for him as hes had it
worked for smallpox eh
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Quote: Pieman "Does Fauci not count? Ive posted it 3 times, you missed out dangerous also not just ridiculed, they cant all be right when it comes to science, eventually it will be a proven fact as that what science is and then it will be very black and white'"
Just happened to come across something half an hour ago whilst looking for something
Here's a post from a Zack Berman who is a data analyst and scientist who's been a brilliant voice of reason throughout this pandemic. His posts have been unbiased, informative and rational.
"I was going to do a deep dive into Dr. Robert Malone's recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast. The problem is, there is 3 hours worth of material, and for every minute he says something demonstrably wrong (which is the majority of the things that come out of his mouth), that is five minutes minimum I have to spend looking up the source of his bull, getting my sources together, and writing a rebuttal. I just don't have the energy to do that right now.
So, instead, for those of you who find the man compelling, ask yourself why? Why are you so eager to take the word of one self-proclaimed expert over 99.9% of the other experts in the field? Do you know enough to validate his claims and arguments? Why do you take his claims as face value while actively dismissing the claims of the entirety of the virology and immunology communities?
If you've listened to the whole thing (god rest your souls), and have a question or point of contention with a particular part, I'll happily break it down. But I just don't have the willpower to listen to a man who has gotten functionally everything wrong over the last 2 years lie some more to a UFC commentator and comedian."
Here's just one rebuttal around the vaccine and risk subject
The problem he has is that he has no evidence to suggest that the vaccines are causing heart problems at the rate he is suggesting. Literally zero.
We know that the vaccines can cause myocarditis issues; predominately in younger men. The risk rate is about 10 per 100,000 men aged 16 to 29 [1]. The overall risk rate for everyone is 2 per 100,000 cases [1]. For comparison, the background rate of viral myocarditis would would expect in the general population is 1 per 100,000 people [2]. Compare that to myocarditis induced by COVID itself, which we estimate to be at 1200 per 100,000 people [3]. Effectively, the risk of myocarditis from COVID is 100x more than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.
In fact, we have even more detail than this. We know that the Moderna vaccine is most likely to cause heart problems in young men, and several countries have even paused Moderna vaccinations for young men, suggesting instead that they get Pfizer or another shot where possible (Moderna has 4-5x the risk of Pfizer when it comes to young men). However, if you ask any of these advisory bodies, given the choice between Moderna and no vaccination, they would pick Moderna every time. The math on the risk factors isn't even close. Worst case scenario, a Moderna shot to a 25 year old man is still 10x less risky than getting COVID at all.
Over 90% of all myocarditis cases brought on by the vaccine resolve in a matter of days, and 99.9% make a full recovery. To date, there are only 8 known cases of death associated with myocarditis linked to vaccination [2]. Compare that to COVID itself and the numbers aren't even close.
As you have already surmised, the impact of COVID itself is far more dangerous and risky than the vaccines. The global health community is closely tracking and reporting on the known risks of heart problems from the vaccines.
1. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
2. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-021-00662-w
3. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4418/11/9/1647
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| Quote: Jukesays "Just happened to come across something half an hour ago whilst looking for something
Here's a post from a Zack Berman who is a data analyst and scientist who's been a brilliant voice of reason throughout this pandemic. His posts have been unbiased, informative and rational.
"I was going to do a deep dive into Dr. Robert Malone's recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Podcast. The problem is, there is 3 hours worth of material, and for every minute he says something demonstrably wrong (which is the majority of the things that come out of his mouth), that is five minutes minimum I have to spend looking up the source of his bull, getting my sources together, and writing a rebuttal. I just don't have the energy to do that right now.
So, instead, for those of you who find the man compelling, ask yourself why? Why are you so eager to take the word of one self-proclaimed expert over 99.9% of the other experts in the field? Do you know enough to validate his claims and arguments? Why do you take his claims as face value while actively dismissing the claims of the entirety of the virology and immunology communities?
If you've listened to the whole thing (god rest your souls), and have a question or point of contention with a particular part, I'll happily break it down. But I just don't have the willpower to listen to a man who has gotten functionally everything wrong over the last 2 years lie some more to a UFC commentator and comedian."
Here's just one rebuttal around the vaccine and risk subject
The problem he has is that he has no evidence to suggest that the vaccines are causing heart problems at the rate he is suggesting. Literally zero.
We know that the vaccines can cause myocarditis issues; predominately in younger men. The risk rate is about 10 per 100,000 men aged 16 to 29 [1]. The overall risk rate for everyone is 2 per 100,000 cases [1]. For comparison, the background rate of viral myocarditis would would expect in the general population is 1 per 100,000 people [2]. Compare that to myocarditis induced by COVID itself, which we estimate to be at 1200 per 100,000 people [3]. Effectively, the risk of myocarditis from COVID is 100x more than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.
In fact, we have even more detail than this. We know that the Moderna vaccine is most likely to cause heart problems in young men, and several countries have even paused Moderna vaccinations for young men, suggesting instead that they get Pfizer or another shot where possible (Moderna has 4-5x the risk of Pfizer when it comes to young men). However, if you ask any of these advisory bodies, given the choice between Moderna and no vaccination, they would pick Moderna every time. The math on the risk factors isn't even close. Worst case scenario, a Moderna shot to a 25 year old man is still 10x less risky than getting COVID at all.
Over 90% of all myocarditis cases brought on by the vaccine resolve in a matter of days, and 99.9% make a full recovery. To date, there are only 8 known cases of death associated with myocarditis linked to vaccination [2]. Compare that to COVID itself and the numbers aren't even close.
As you have already surmised, the impact of COVID itself is far more dangerous and risky than the vaccines. The global health community is closely tracking and reporting on the known risks of heart problems from the vaccines.
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Quote: Pieman "
Your reference to Fauci I believe was in respect of the Great Barrington Declaration not Robert Moore. And no it doesn't count and this is why......
'There needs to be a quick and devastating take down': Emails show how Fauci and head of NIH worked to discredit three experts who penned the Great Barrington Declaration which called for an end to lockdowns
The emails show Fauci and NIH Director Francis Collins attempting to coordinate a 'devastating takedown' of the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD)
AIER, a libertarian think tank, sponsored the GBD, which largely abandons lockdowns in favor of herd immunity strategy that allows life to return to normal
In an October 8 email from Collins to Fauci, the head of the NIH calls the GBD the work of 'three fringe epidemiologists' that 'seems to be getting a lot of attention'
Collins adds that 'there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet - is it underway?'
Fauci later sends Collins multiple op-eds trashing the GBD in Wired and The Nation Magazine
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - one of the authors and a DailyMail.com contributor - tweeted that he was the subject of a propaganda attack by his own government.
Dr. Anthony Fauci and the head of the National Institute of Health (NIH) colluded on a way to discredit an alternative plan to deal with COVID from a group of experts, released emails reveal.
The emails, some of which were tweeted out on Saturday by Phil Magness, senior research faculty and interim research and education director at the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER), show Fauci and Francis Collins attempting to coordinate a 'devastating takedown' of the Great Barrington Declaration.
AIER, a libertarian think tank, sponsored the declaration, which largely abandons lockdowns in favor of a herd immunity strategy that allows life to return to normal.
In an October 8 email from Collins to Fauci, the head of the NIH calls the GBD the work of 'three fringe epidemiologists' that 'seems to be getting a lot of attention.'
Collins adds that 'there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet - is it underway?'
Later in the day, Fauci sends Collins a Wired op-ed that refutes the notion of herd immunity stopping the pandemic.
Collins then sends Fauci an op-ed in The Nation also trashing the GBD.
I will let you read the rest of the article at your leisure.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... downs.html
This is not science!!!!!!!
I have more faith in the 40+ Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners who co-signed the Declaration and the 60,000+ medical & public health scientists and medical practitioners who signed the Declaration than Fauci. |
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Quote: Pieman "
Your reference to Fauci I believe was in respect of the Great Barrington Declaration not Robert Moore. And no it doesn't count and this is why......
'There needs to be a quick and devastating take down': Emails show how Fauci and head of NIH worked to discredit three experts who penned the Great Barrington Declaration which called for an end to lockdowns
The emails show Fauci and NIH Director Francis Collins attempting to coordinate a 'devastating takedown' of the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD)
AIER, a libertarian think tank, sponsored the GBD, which largely abandons lockdowns in favor of herd immunity strategy that allows life to return to normal
In an October 8 email from Collins to Fauci, the head of the NIH calls the GBD the work of 'three fringe epidemiologists' that 'seems to be getting a lot of attention'
Collins adds that 'there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet - is it underway?'
Fauci later sends Collins multiple op-eds trashing the GBD in Wired and The Nation Magazine
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - one of the authors and a DailyMail.com contributor - tweeted that he was the subject of a propaganda attack by his own government.
Dr. Anthony Fauci and the head of the National Institute of Health (NIH) colluded on a way to discredit an alternative plan to deal with COVID from a group of experts, released emails reveal.
The emails, some of which were tweeted out on Saturday by Phil Magness, senior research faculty and interim research and education director at the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER), show Fauci and Francis Collins attempting to coordinate a 'devastating takedown' of the Great Barrington Declaration.
AIER, a libertarian think tank, sponsored the declaration, which largely abandons lockdowns in favor of a herd immunity strategy that allows life to return to normal.
In an October 8 email from Collins to Fauci, the head of the NIH calls the GBD the work of 'three fringe epidemiologists' that 'seems to be getting a lot of attention.'
Collins adds that 'there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet - is it underway?'
Later in the day, Fauci sends Collins a Wired op-ed that refutes the notion of herd immunity stopping the pandemic.
Collins then sends Fauci an op-ed in The Nation also trashing the GBD.
I will let you read the rest of the article at your leisure.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... downs.html
This is not science!!!!!!!
I have more faith in the 40+ Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners who co-signed the Declaration and the 60,000+ medical & public health scientists and medical practitioners who signed the Declaration than Fauci. | |
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