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Quote: post " I might sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but when you have an hour to spare, go and check out Yuri Bezmenov on youtube talking about subversion and see if you think with relation to what we have been discussing, it might open your eyes.
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@Jukesays : I've been recommending Yuri Bezmenov for the last 12 months, it seems over the weekend he's had millions of views on Youtube, nothing to do with me though, to do with new Call of Duty - Cold War game. Check it out, it might explain a lot of what's gone on in the last 3 months.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE - Full speech/seminar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kfCGjOaSw - Call of Duty Teaser
Quote: post " I might sound like a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but when you have an hour to spare, go and check out Yuri Bezmenov on youtube talking about subversion and see if you think with relation to what we have been discussing, it might open your eyes.
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@Jukesays : I've been recommending Yuri Bezmenov for the last 12 months, it seems over the weekend he's had millions of views on Youtube, nothing to do with me though, to do with new Call of Duty - Cold War game. Check it out, it might explain a lot of what's gone on in the last 3 months.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE - Full speech/seminar

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kfCGjOaSw - Call of Duty Teaser


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Quote: post "@Jukesays : I've been recommending Yuri Bezmenov for the last 12 months, it seems over the weekend he's had millions of views on Youtube, nothing to do with me though, to do with new Call of Duty - Cold War game. Check it out, it might explain a lot of what's gone on in the last 3 months.


Ok, so as not to risk putting words in your mouth and assuming which angle your coming from with this.

Could you explain where your seeing subversion tactics, from whom, applied to who and in what areas?

(PS I'm 30mins in)

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Quote: Jukesays "Ok, so as not to risk putting words in your mouth and assuming which angle your coming from with this.

Could you explain where your seeing subversion tactics, from whom, applied to who and in what areas?

(PS I'm 30mins in)'"


Make your own mind up on that one.

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Quote: Jukesays "I'll have a little bet with you that I've read, researched and watched more stuff on the subject in the last 5 years than you have.
Yes, I am that Boring.

But turn that paragraph on yourself and look in that mirror.

Fake news!
3 line slogans
Why dont you try to listen to the people that feel oppressed/hard done to
Facebook's (And Twitter's) Armchair experts, who listen to all the other armchair racists spreading their vile messages which are disguised racist agendas
Try Empathy

Ruddy uses an analogy earlier about "Whatabout the white girl, or the white man injured or killed by a black/asian"
"Wheres the marches for that, wheres the kneeling for that".

If anyone cant see the difference it's because they dont want to or their not interested in researching to understand the difference.

Its abhorrent, black people kill white people, white people kill black people, Asian people kill white people and vice versa, it's all terrible. The Facebook (insert derogatory name) use Lee Rigby's name as a reason Not to support equal rights, there is no need to March because his killers were brought to justice by the people who are meant to do that.

The reason there is a Black lives matter movement etc is because the very people who are supposed to be upholding the law, the people who are supposed to determine justice, the people who are supposed to hire people fairly etc. Arent doing it to the EQUAL standards they are supposed to be.

Ask Steven Lawrence's parents, and yes things are getting better, but research and studies done by then police themselves in the last year accepts that there is "Still work to do".

Your retort that there are already laws, yes there are, and that's progress that was made in the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc which is fine.
But just as there are laws about speeding, some people dont abide by them even though they are there.
Some officers do target minorities, some bosses still dont employ women, minorities and disabled people fairly and equally. And those people who are disadvantaged are prepared to stand up for their rights to be treated equally, Good on um.

And I am in no way equating the UKs overall situation to the USA, wheebitbis far worse IMO.
But Raheem Sterling didnt speak out after geroge floyd, he felt the need to speak out before.
Others have done so in the not too recent past.

Should they all just sit right and hope it goes away, because your response that they are "Putting race relations back 30 years" seems to blame the victims for their own situation?




Well what do you think about this?
All because the new Black female conductor is a big fan of the BLM movement

BBC 'is considering dropping Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from Last Night of the Proms in wake of BLM protests' because organisers fear backlash over their links to colonialism and slavery

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Quote: bonaire "Well what do you think about this?
All because the new Black female conductor is a big fan of the BLM movement

BBC 'is considering dropping Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from Last Night of the Proms in wake of BLM protests' because organisers fear backlash over their links to colonialism and slavery'"


Been reading Turning Point UK again have you

No reply on the George Floyd thing yet though?

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Quote: Jukesays "Ok, so as not to risk putting words in your mouth and assuming which angle your coming from with this.

Could you explain where your seeing subversion tactics, from whom, applied to who and in what areas?

(PS I'm 30mins in)'"


I'm paraphrasing but Gramsci stated that that Socialism would triumph on first capturing the culture via the infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media. Gramsci was pragmatic in that you couldn't have revolution all over the world so other means were required if Socialism was to succeed the world over.

Laclau and Mouffe (sp?) in I think the 80's or 90's realised that the Marx view that the oppressed working class would would rise and overthrow Capitalism was never going to occur (the working class probably too smart to take any notice of Marx) so they sought to modify the class struggle by adding other victims of Capitalism namely national minorities, sexual minorities, new feminism and anti nuclear movement.
I could be totally wrong but I think these 2 first mooted the patriarchy and the need to dismantle the power of the patriarchy.

Bezmenov would have been very aware of Gramsci and possibly Laclau & Mouffe so probably easy for him to quote subversion after he had defected.
It's years since I saw the Bezmenov interviews so I genuinely dont recall the entire content but I think the gist was a plan of subversion that Socialists had generally accepted after repeated failures in Eastern Europe, Vietnam and Cambodia etc i.e. subversion over revolution.
I don't beleive in a Russian subversion but a Socialist one is all around us.

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Quote: Jukesays "Been reading Turning Point UK again have you

No reply on the George Floyd thing yet though?'"



No cant say i have not interested
Just pointing out to you that Racism works both ways .
I have made my comments on Floyd and why i believe the officers involved will not be convicted on murder charges based on the Autopsy.In fact in my opinion they will all get off.Death was due to a heart disease not asphyxiation which rules out unlawfull killing by kneeling on his neck
With two different drugs inside his body you can see why he resisted arrest but remember if he had done what the officers had asked him and got into the police car instead of kicking off then none of this would have happened.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I'm paraphrasing but Gramsci stated that that Socialism would triumph on first capturing the culture via the infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media. Gramsci was pragmatic in that you couldn't have revolution all over the world so other means were required if Socialism was to succeed the world over.

Laclau and Mouffe (sp?) in I think the 80's or 90's realised that the Marx view that the oppressed working class would would rise and overthrow Capitalism was never going to occur (the working class probably too smart to take any notice of Marx) so they sought to modify the class struggle by adding other victims of Capitalism namely national minorities, sexual minorities, new feminism and anti nuclear movement.
I could be totally wrong but I think these 2 first mooted the patriarchy and the need to dismantle the power of the patriarchy.

Bezmenov would have been very aware of Gramsci and possibly Laclau & Mouffe so probably easy for him to quote subversion after he had defected.
It's years since I saw the Bezmenov interviews so I genuinely dont recall the entire content but I think the gist was a plan of subversion that Socialists had generally accepted after repeated failures in Eastern Europe, Vietnam and Cambodia etc i.e. subversion over revolution.
I don't beleive in a Russian subversion but a Socialist one is all around us.'"



Sorry
What I meant was specifics
I..e how, where, who is using these tactics and in what way?

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Quote: bonaire "No cant say i have not interested
Just pointing out to you that Racism works both ways .
I have made my comments on Floyd and why i believe the officers involved will not be convicted on murder charges based on the Autopsy.In fact in my opinion they will all get off.Death was due to a heart disease not asphyxiation which rules out unlawfull killing by kneeling on his neck
With two different drugs inside his body you can see why he resisted arrest but remember if he had done what the officers had asked him and got into the police car instead of kicking off then none of this would have happened.'"


You didnt reply to this

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I suppose itll be easy to write this off as Fake News in your world

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Quote: Jukesays "Sorry
What I meant was specifics
I..e how, where, who is using these tactics and in what way?'"


Virtually every university in the country is dominated by the left. More people going to university more possibilities of more Socialist views. Name me one person who heads up The Church, is in Government, senior positions in law or industry who hasn't been to university.
Germaine Greer probably the most influential feminist in the 60's and 70's attacked for basically telling the truth

BBB C4 and Sky's Brexit coverage which was abysmal at best. I voted remain and even I thought the bias was blatant and ridiculous

Name me one "right wing" comedian on TV?If you name one I will ten left wing.
I can't think of one conservative celebrity on TV who openly airs their views.

Ash Sarker "I'm literally a communist" goes on QT, GMB and no one bats an eyelid. To be a communist is just accepted. Why hasn't someone from the equivalent right also appeared on these programmes so that we can see both cheeks of the backside?

Communists are in the Labour Party and no one cares although Starmer may hopefully change that.

The how has been done
The where is in schools, universities and media

You either believe this or you don't. I ain't trying to preach or convert I'm just saying what i believe to be true if you believe differently fair do's.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Virtually every university in the country is dominated by the left. More people going to university more possibilities of more Socialist views. Name me one person who heads up The Church, is in Government, senior positions in law or industry who hasn't been to university.
Germaine Greer probably the most influential feminist in the 60's and 70's attacked for basically telling the truth

BBB C4 and Sky's Brexit coverage which was abysmal at best. I voted remain and even I thought the bias was blatant and ridiculous

Name me one "right wing" comedian on TV?If you name one I will ten left wing.
I can't think of one conservative celebrity on TV who openly airs their views.

Ash Sarker "I'm literally a communist" goes on QT, GMB and no one bats an eyelid. To be a communist is just accepted. Why hasn't someone from the equivalent right also appeared on these programmes so that we can see both cheeks of the backside?

Communists are in the Labour Party and no one cares although Starmer may hopefully change that.

The how has been done
The where is in schools, universities and media

You either believe this or you don't. I ain't trying to preach or convert I'm just saying what i believe to be true if you believe differently fair do's.'"
This is all a great display of the sort of grievance politics the right thrives on. Somehow they've managed to brainwash themselves and their followers that [ithey[/i, who have been running this country for 45 of the past 70 years, (and as predominantly white males have been in charge overall for a lot longer) are somehow the oppressed underdogs who never get a break and never get a chance.
It would be brazen if it wasn't so widespread and consistent.

And if you've never seen Nigel Farage, the most important far-right figure in British politics since Moseley, on Question Time or GMB then I suspect you've been deliberately not looking very hard for something which might challenge your sadly entrenched opinions.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "This is all a great display of the sort of grievance politics the right thrives on. Somehow they've managed to brainwash themselves and their followers that [ithey[/i, who have been running this country for 45 of the past 70 years, (and as predominantly white males have been in charge overall for a lot longer) are somehow the oppressed underdogs who never get a break and never get a chance.
It would be brazen if it wasn't so widespread and consistent.

And if you've never seen Nigel Farage, the most important far-right figure in British politics since Moseley, on Question Time or GMB then I suspect you've been deliberately not looking very hard for something which might challenge your sadly entrenched opinions.'"


Farage is an .
I assume that you agree that Sarkar is in the same bed as Farage?
I assume that you agree all extremists left and right are s?
Which university did you go to?

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Farage is an great dude.
I assume that you agree that Sarkar is in the same bed as Farage?
I assume that you agree all extremists left and right are s?
Which university did you go to?'"


I actually called Farage an arrishole not a great dude.
I cannot stand the guy.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "This is all a great display of the sort of grievance politics the right thrives on. Somehow they've managed to brainwash themselves and their followers that [ithey[/i, who have been running this country for 45 of the past 70 years, (and as predominantly white males have been in charge overall for a lot longer) are somehow the oppressed underdogs who never get a break and never get a chance.
It would be brazen if it wasn't so widespread and consistent.

And if you've never seen Nigel Farage, the most important far-right figure in British politics since Moseley, on Question Time or GMB then I suspect you've been deliberately not looking very hard for something which might challenge your sadly entrenched opinions.'"


By the way I have only ever voted Labour since 1975 so ain't got a clue where the right bit you state comes from. I wouldn't vote for Corbyn in 2019 & 2017 but apart from that I've voted labour in every general election and local council election since I was eligible to vote.
What university did you go to?

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Virtually every university in the country is dominated by the left. More people going to university more possibilities of more Socialist views. Name me one person who heads up The Church, is in Government, senior positions in law or industry who hasn't been to university.
Germaine Greer probably the most influential feminist in the 60's and 70's attacked for basically telling the truth

BBB C4 and Sky's Brexit coverage which was abysmal at best. I voted remain and even I thought the bias was blatant and ridiculous

Name me one "right wing" comedian on TV?If you name one I will ten left wing.
I can't think of one conservative celebrity on TV who openly airs their views.

Ash Sarker "I'm literally a communist" goes on QT, GMB and no one bats an eyelid. To be a communist is just accepted. Why hasn't someone from the equivalent right also appeared on these programmes so that we can see both cheeks of the backside?

Communists are in the Labour Party and no one cares although Starmer may hopefully change that.

The how has been done
The where is in schools, universities and media

You either believe this or you don't. I ain't trying to preach or convert I'm just saying what i believe to be true if you believe differently fair do's.'"



Many of the people noticed judging by the way, the Labour Party led by Corbyn and his Momentum cronies were humiliated at the General Election.

That is apart from the young idiot rent a mob crowd who following the election marched around the streets of London with the usual SWP placards much to the amusement of those who were enjoying themselves in the outside areas of bars and clubs.

Never mind, they will see the light as they get older and wiser!

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 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
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14:30
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 Thu 6th Mar 2025
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20:00
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 Fri 7th Mar 2025
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 Sat 8th Mar 2025
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 Sun 9th Mar 2025
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 Thu 20th Mar 2025
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Huddersfield
 Fri 21st Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
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St.Helens
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Warrington
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
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15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
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20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
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Warrington-Catalans
SL
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Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
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15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
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14:30
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Thu 6th Mar
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
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St.Helens-Hull KR
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Wigan-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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