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| Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "What's the chances of it going tits up before the new season starts, It will be hard for him at best of times let alone Crimbo and New Years, I know what I'm on about, I haven't had a drink in 12 years and not done any drugs since 1996 but still get the odd craving now and then, Specially Crimbo and New Years, Hope it works out for him and the club'"
I never wanted to sign him in the first place and only see it going one way however, I respect IL and if he deems it a worthwhile last throw of the dice then hopefully the guy and the club can both win. The cynic in me however, thinks that he just has no self awareness and he hasn't go the fraction of the will power that you have and his next incident is not too far away. |
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| Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I never wanted to sign him in the first place and only see it going one way however, I respect IL and if he deems it a worthwhile last throw of the dice then hopefully the guy and the club can both win. The cynic in me however, thinks that he just has no self awareness and he hasn't go the fraction of the will power that you have and his next incident is not too far away.'"
Sadly I agree 100% - I do not care one iota how good a player he was/could be, signing and keeping are decisions I fear the club will regret in time. |
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Chuffed Wigan are standing by and trying to help him. If he can't get it right at Wigan he won't anywhere
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I don't know that I'm 'chuffed'. Yes, you can argue that the Club has done the *right* thing, but I think I'd have been happier if they'd announced they were throwing him out on his ear!
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| Quote: moto748 "I don't know that I'm 'chuffed'. Yes, you can argue that the Club has done the *right* thing, but I think I'd have been happier if they'd announced they were throwing him out on his ear!'"
Yeah maybe wrong choice of words. Shows the club for what it is though and that sort of interest in a not only a player but a man could be priceless to future targets or signings about the morals the club has. Also get to see him in a good side and hopefully clean rather than ending up at Toronto or somewhere like that where he will be allowed to run riot. Looking forward to hopefully seeing him in action next year, I know it will be a season of transition but I don't see a reason why you won't be challenging should you get a new half and at least a new prop and back rower |
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The club has made its decision and we must stand by it. Personally I do think he needs help with his alcohol intake, that may well mean he goes T-total. Either way this must be his last chance, he either sorts himself out or he will find himself out of a job and in jail. It’s almost inevitable if he continues on the path he is or was on.
I think it’s time we got behind the club and Zak and support him. After all on an off day he is still outstanding and I think he’ll become pivotal to us next season and beyond.
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Absolutely gutted with this decision. We got rid of Joel Tomkins didn’t we? Double standards here.
We should be getting rid of him. It’s making a mockery saying he was on the last chance saloon when we signed him, then giving him another chance after that.
This will only go one way.
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| Quote: JWarriors "We got rid of Joel Tomkins didn’t we? Double standards here. '"
I was just going to post the same thing. JT was rightly shown the door but "all" he did was do what he did in the bar. Hardaker has in the past, admitted assaulting a student, was given a five match ban for homophobic comments, got banned for drugs and now has been done for drink driving (and he tried to run away from the police!) and the club decides it's got a duty of care to stick by him who has not even played a game for the club and not JT? Pull the other one. |
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| Quote: DaveO "I was just going to post the same thing. JT was rightly shown the door but "all" he did was do what he did in the bar. Hardaker has in the past, admitted assaulting a student, was given a five match ban for homophobic comments, got banned for drugs and now has been done for drink driving (and he tried to run away from the police!) and the club decides it's got a duty of care to stick by him who has not even played a game for the club and not JT? Pull the other one.'" Can't agree more. The cynic in me says, though, that biggotted cokehead that he might be, on his day he's a much better player than JT is. If he'd pulled this stunt actually in Wigan instead of 70 odd miles away, there might have been a different outcome. Either way, I certainly won't be applauding him on or off the field. |
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Not overly impressed by this. Last chance saloon clearly wasn’t so.
We’re just waiting for his next ‘mistake’ that drags the clubs name through the mud. It’ll happen. I’d put my mortgage on it.
I wonder what Waney is thinking today...
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| Quote: thepimp007 "Chuffed Wigan are standing by and trying to help him. If he can't get it right at Wigan he won't anywhere'"
Yep. With their record of players doing the right thing he couldn’t be anywhere better! |
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| Quote: JWarriors "Absolutely gutted with this decision. We got rid of Joel Tomkins didn’t we? Double standards here.
We should be getting rid of him. It’s making a mockery saying he was on the last chance saloon when we signed him, then giving him another chance after that.
This will only go one way.'"
Sadly I think you are right.
Basically you are doing what we did at Leeds.
You are keeping him because he will be the difference in getting you the win as opposed to you losing.
JT couldn`t do that.
If he was crap at Leeds we would have shown him the door many times over not only for all his publicised wrong doings. But for all the other things he got up to such as not turning up to training or training whilst still under the influence.
I really do hope you can get the best out of him as there`s a flipping good player in there. |
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Quote: JWarriors "Absolutely gutted with this decision. We got rid of Joel Tomkins didn’t we? Double standards here.
We should be getting rid of him. It’s making a mockery saying he was on the last chance saloon when we signed him, then giving him another chance after that.
This will only go one way.'"
I agree 100% JWarriors
I would ask all Wigan fans to read my post with an open mind and then make their own conclusions as to whether or not I have a valuable point.
I posted the comments made by Lenagan when Zak was initially signed when he stated that there would be no more controversies allowed from him
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-leagu ... lay-drugs/
Is this not a controversy from Zak?
IMO Lenagan is more than happy to get rid of players that step out of line when they aren't really a valuable asset on the field anymore,but he clearly has ulterior motives with his choices of who gets the bullet and who doesn't
Mossop was hung out to dry when he was the innocent party after an unsavoury incident with Bateman (although in reality his form was e since his return from the NRL and he also wasn't a playing asset to the club moving forward where as Bateman was a top line player)
Mossop's exit was an easy decision to make by Lenagan to get rid and he did
Joel Tomkins' "Rectum of Wigan" video was cringe worthy at best,but surely it was not worthy of him being made to move on to Hull KR was it?
Although Lenagan clearly realised that it was an ideal opportunity to get rid of Joel's salary from the wage bill as he was clearly past his sell by date and he did
Does Lenagan think that RL fans will not scrutinise his decisions and make their own conclusions regarding his motives?
Was Mossop actually the guilty party on that fateful day?
Was Rectumgate worthy of getting Joel the boot?
So why does Zak get his reprieve from his latest controversy?
IMO Lenagan would not be so sympathetic regarding Zak's drink driving indiscretion if he had run over a member of his own family (As is a very likely scenario when drivers over the limit take the decision to drive whilst under the influence of alcohol)
But the fact that Zak didn't actually run anyone over is obviously deemed OK by Lenagan,as is the fact that he is also the best Full Back in SL and is a valuable asset to Wigan
So Rehab it is for Zak and a slap on the wrist until his next indiscretion
Honest opinions guys am I right or are you happy with Lenagan's decisions? |
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Quote: JWarriors "Absolutely gutted with this decision. We got rid of Joel Tomkins didn’t we? Double standards here.
We should be getting rid of him. It’s making a mockery saying he was on the last chance saloon when we signed him, then giving him another chance after that.
This will only go one way.'"
I agree 100% JWarriors
I would ask all Wigan fans to read my post with an open mind and then make their own conclusions as to whether or not I have a valuable point.
I posted the comments made by Lenagan when Zak was initially signed when he stated that there would be no more controversies allowed from him
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-leagu ... lay-drugs/
Is this not a controversy from Zak?
IMO Lenagan is more than happy to get rid of players that step out of line when they aren't really a valuable asset on the field anymore,but he clearly has ulterior motives with his choices of who gets the bullet and who doesn't
Mossop was hung out to dry when he was the innocent party after an unsavoury incident with Bateman (although in reality his form was e since his return from the NRL and he also wasn't a playing asset to the club moving forward where as Bateman was a top line player)
Mossop's exit was an easy decision to make by Lenagan to get rid and he did
Joel Tomkins' "Rectum of Wigan" video was cringe worthy at best,but surely it was not worthy of him being made to move on to Hull KR was it?
Although Lenagan clearly realised that it was an ideal opportunity to get rid of Joel's salary from the wage bill as he was clearly past his sell by date and he did
Does Lenagan think that RL fans will not scrutinise his decisions and make their own conclusions regarding his motives?
Was Mossop actually the guilty party on that fateful day?
Was Rectumgate worthy of getting Joel the boot?
So why does Zak get his reprieve from his latest controversy?
IMO Lenagan would not be so sympathetic regarding Zak's drink driving indiscretion if he had run over a member of his own family (As is a very likely scenario when drivers over the limit take the decision to drive whilst under the influence of alcohol)
But the fact that Zak didn't actually run anyone over is obviously deemed OK by Lenagan,as is the fact that he is also the best Full Back in SL and is a valuable asset to Wigan
So Rehab it is for Zak and a slap on the wrist until his next indiscretion
Honest opinions guys am I right or are you happy with Lenagan's decisions? | |
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| Quote: The Biffs Back "I agree 100% JWarriors
I would ask all Wigan fans to read my post with an open mind and then make their own conclusions as to whether or not I have a valuable point.
I posted the comments made by Lenagan when Zak was initially signed when he stated that there would be no more controversies allowed from him
I 100% agree with Lenners decisions.
He got rid of two overrated and overpaid deadbeats for free and is keeping hold of when in form the best no 1 in Super League.
I think it's called management, and Lenners is one of the best in that business.
If it goes pear-shaped at the rehab or after we can just sack him no trouble, we already have two players that can comfortably cover fullback so it's not really that much of a gamble TBH.
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Yes I'm OK with the way it is being handled.
Zak has a problem with alcohol which obviously he has now admitted to himself.
Only known two people with the same problem. One a lady who drank a half bottle of gin prior breakfast and a bottle of whisky before lunch. She went for rehab became tt and is leading a full and rewarding life. The other a bloke who always said drink would never get the better of him and refused help offered. His funeral was very sad, as they all are.
Zak could come back having ditched the booze and become the better player and better person he mentions in his statement.
I certainly do hope he does for mainly his benefit but also the club's who have shown a duty of care to an employee and given him the best chance he can have to overcome his problem.
Well done IL and Rads and good luck to Zak Hardaker.
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