Just checked the Hiku 'contact' on Nsemba. How is that a grade E? It's not like he's trying to drag him to his feet or anything. He just looks concerned.

MRP once again showing they're not fit for purpose, I'd hope if they're allowed to Wigan would put a word in on Hiku's behalf

Because he's not supposed to touch him whilst he's lying there prone
End of

And because grading is what it is because of the previous furore of people getting hysterical claiming that certain clubs got the bestnof the decisions those same people have now got "Consistency" and every player/coach knows that if they touch an injured player while he's down they'll get a Grade E
Because that's what grading does

Barrie's love affair with Leeds is ongoing. I'm sure he's forgotten that he ever played for anyone else.

Well I've always been taught that you check a person's airways are clear when knocked unconscious. That's a medical protocol and should supercede any rules pertaining to foul play. I guess common sense goes out of the window though when 'dems da rules'. Hiku is quite clearly checking Nsemba is ok, then signals for help. That should be the end of as you put it.

Anyway, we'll agree to differ on this one.

Spot on mate. Any bans out there should have been coming Burgess’ way.

But he's not qualified to check his Airways, he makes no attempt to go into any position to do any kind of medical check, I would assume because he had no intention of performing, quite rightly, any form of medical check. Contrast that with what the medical team did when they were onsite 3 to 4 seconds later, they didn't pull on his arm or shoulder?

Am i sat here slating Hiku, when he did show concern, no
But the players and clubs were told in 2021/2022 in no uncertain terms not to touch players lying injured or potentially injured. He did
The whole game agreed that the sanctions were grade E 4-6
Thats what theyve done

Just because the outcome was fine doesn't mean that what he did couldn't have made things worse, and that ultimately is what the rule is there for

If they dont charge him then the next time.someone does it they'll use this case as a reason why no charge should be raised and potentially that may not have ended as well as this case

Read paul Vaughans charge end of last year against Saints

How is that spot on when Burgess went into the tackle at the exact same time Hiku dripped on Nsemba with considerable more force, granted Busgies and does make contact with an open palm but I'd bet a hefty amount that Hikus contact made more of a forceful impact on a prone player, remember both of them could have just placed a hand on Nsemba and effected the tackle, fair enough they didnt, but just because Budgie runs back to the wing for the next tackle whilst the other 2 stay at marker I'm not sure what punishment for the initial drop he should face, especially in comparison with Hiku ?

Being an ex Wigan player, or leaving the club in what some deem was a poor way a couple of times doesn't immediately mean he's guilty of anything

Mate, I've already said I disagree with you. What do you want me to say?

I also don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I didn't say he was performing any medical checks. I said I was always taught to check airways, as a rebuttal to you saying a prone player should never be moved. That's not the case if they're knocked out or unconscious as safely making sure their airways are clear becomes the priority. Someone who has suffered a blow to the head and is potentially unconscious can be subject to many dangers including vomiting, swallowing blood from injuries to the mouth etc. You don't need medical training to look for signs of these. They are also far more likely than a spinal injury.

I only said Hiku was checking he was ok and did so without any risk to the neck or spine which, in my opinion (you're free to disagree) was the right thing to do and exactly the same as I would have done in similar circumstances.

Had he tried to rotate him or get him in a seated position or, worse still, lift him to his feet then I would agree with you. Lifting his arm slightly to assess he was ok was none of those things.

As for Vaughn, that was a completely different set of circumstances. He tried to lift him to his feet because he was annoyed at him. Not the same thing at all and worthy of a ban.

Lastly, how do you know he hasn't had any medical training? Many people in all walks of life do first aid courses. Being around a sporting environment would mean him being around injury protocols more than most. He might be studying physio or other related things for his post playing career. I'm not saying he has. I don't know. But neither do you.

Anyway, I'll say it again. We'll agree to disagree on this one.

Hiku makes no attempt to drag Junior up - which is where the bans should come into play. His actions don't warrant any sort of ban - anyone can see that regardless of the rule.

Burgess hitting the head of a prone player with at the very least no due care and attention and with plenty of time to assess the situation and not even make contact is ignored. It just makes the review panel look incompetent.

The letter of the law can't be used to support the first case then ignored in the 2nd. Similar applies to Lewis lifting Farells leg intentionally well above horizontal. It should have at least been looked at .

That should have been a yellow imo

Fair enough, I was probably being a bit harsh on Burgess, certainly regarding a ban anyway. I think Hiku sort of drops on Nsemba and, for me, doesn’t do too much wrong. In contrast, Burgess leads to his head, difficult to say whether or not it was with an open palm. It’s just too fast to tell.

Your last sentence had no bearing on what I previously posted.

Hiku appeal successful

Quite right too. Agree he didn't do much wrong in the spirit of the game.

Heaven forbid. It couldn't be that, could it? Mind you ... it would explain a lot.