Yep fair comment.

I’ve not seen the stats but I’m guessing if you had to look at them without knowing the result and had to pick a winner not many if any would be picking Wigan.

The defensive effort which Farrell was an integral part of was ridiculous.

Be interesting to see how they back up tonight after such an effort.

The stats say that Farrell made slightly more yards than Martin but two fewer tackles.

I thought Faz would have made more yards but didn't like to say as I couldn't find the official stats. Where have you got them from Zig?

With the territorial advantage and the significant ball advantage the Penrith pack should have absolutely murdered the Wigan pack. Apart from Yeo the Penrith pack was anonymous considering that they had those advantages

Cleary knew that he had been in a game too.
Another occasion on UK soil where Cleary had a mediocre game. He’s obviously a superb talent but he doesn’t travel well.

Farrell: 139 m, Post contact metres 51 m. Tackle busts 0 Tackle efficiency 84% Martin: 126 m, Post-contact metres 53 m, Tackle busts 4, Tackle efficiency 93% Both had fine games, and Yeo was excellent (as he always is, every time i see him play). https://www.nrl.com/draw/world-club-cha ... -panthers/

Farrell: 139 m, Post contact metres 51 m. Tackle busts 0 Tackle efficiency 84% Martin: 126 m, Post-contact metres 53 m, Tackle busts 4, Tackle efficiency 93% Both had fine games, and Yeo was excellent (as he always is, every time i see him play). https://www.nrl.com/draw/world-club-cha ... -panthers/

The biggest quality of Farrell for me is his consistency. You need players like that who can back it up week in week out year after year if you want to have any chance of success. Faz is that player for us. Rarely injured. Fantastic. He has played with 3 or 4 different half backs and has always been a potent attacking threat with the lines he runs. Superb in defence, disciplined with and without the ball. Brilliant.

I must add I think he is making a fantastic captain. Seems so measured on the pitch (like his general game) when talking to the players. Very calm presence about him. He epitomises Matty Peet really.

We will really miss him whenever he does retire. For me though he doesn't look to be missing a beat and looks like he has a good few years still in him providing he stays injury free.

Very happy with that result and scoreline.
Good to see Thompson do long minutes. Hopefully continues to build his confidence.
I thought O’Neil was once again excellent.
Nice little cameo from Forber.

They did mate that’s why they had territorial advantage, their backs couldn’t deliver. Anyway, back to the point, Martin is a top player that’s why he is in the Australian team and a very successful side. To say otherwise is being dishonest.

Take away Yeo which other Penrith forward really stood out? I don’t think any did. Martin for me was pretty average along with the vast majority of the Penrith pack. I’m not being dishonest or disrespectful I was genuinely disappointed in the Penrith pack. Farrell’s best days are behind him but he still matched a younger opposition player whose team dominated the possession. To put it into perspective I don’t think Farrell stood out hence why I said I didn’t think the Penrith second row played particularly well because non of the Penrith second rowers stood out.
Obviously Zig it’s all about opinions. I respect your opinion but I don’t need to agree to it. Likewise, if my opinion is the opposite to yours it doesn’t mean I’m being dishonest it just means I viewed the game differently to you.

I stand by my views particularly on Cleary who again failed to deliver on UK soil. Do i think that Cleary is a supreme RL player. Absolutely. On the night though he was mediocre by his own very high standards. This debate started by the statement that Farrell wasn’t/isn’t international standard maybe Cleary could be falling into this category. Do i think that? No I don’t but if he comes over to the UK again and once more fails to live up to his nrl standards then I’d certainly start to question it.

Fisher-Harris and Leota were massively disappointing for me. I was at Elland Road when they were immense against the Aussies and I thought they’d be the difference but both looked more concerned with pushing and shoving. On the other hand, Isiah Yeo was immense and always is. He is a fabulous rugby league player.

A great servant to Wigan & Rugby League & a joy to watch.

Ok mate we disagree, now we move on.