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Quote: Ruddy Duck "I agree with you on some selections, but don't forget he had three assistants to whom he could consult, one of whom was the ex. club captain

Like no doubt Peet will do with Briers and O'Loughlin.

Its called a coaching team!'"


But ultimately the HEAD COACH picks the team.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "But ultimately the HEAD COACH picks the team.'"



Exactly, but still like any head coach or manager consults his Assistants on how they have been training, carrying any injuries etc.

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Exactly, but still like any head coach or manager consults his Assistants on how they have been training, carrying any injuries etc.'"


And can choose to completely ignore them if he wishes to do so, which he did.

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Due to cap constraints, any team who wants to win SL HAS to have a decent mix of academy products and players from outside the club.

Not only that, the quality of these academy players has to be excellent.

Given how successful wigan are at academy level, questions need to be asked as to why they dont have more, very good SL quality players in their team?

I mean look at Tom Davies. Before his injury he was averaging what, 150m a game? You got rid of him because you had Burgess, Marshall and Manfredi but then also ended up signing Bibby? This was after handing him a 5 year contract as quite rightly, you had massive hopes for him but just cast him aside due to his injury.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "And can choose to completely ignore them if he wishes to do so, which he did.'"


Do you know this for a fact? Lam ignoring advice of his assistants?

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Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "Due to cap constraints, any team who wants to win SL HAS to have a decent mix of academy products and players from outside the club.

Not only that, the quality of these academy players has to be excellent.

Given how successful wigan are at academy level, questions need to be asked as to why they dont have more, very good SL quality players in their team?

I mean look at Tom Davies. Before his injury he was averaging what, 150m a game? You got rid of him because you had Burgess, Marshall and Manfredi but then also ended up signing Bibby? This was after handing him a 5 year contract as quite rightly, you had massive hopes for him but just cast him aside due to his injury.'"


You need to get your facts straight.

Tom chose to leave as he wasn't guaranteed 1st team rugby.

With regards to signing Bibby. Its all in hindsight and he may have been signed predominantly as a Centre? We still don't really know because of injuries.

I agree Davies staying would have been best, but its all in hindsight.

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Steph has an ability to see in to the future obviously. He knew Burgess would suffer with injuries and a loss of form and he knew Manfredi would need to retire (in fairness, he probably did know that one).

Tom Davies has done the right thing for his career and fair play to him. I’ve always felt he has a couple of weak points that hold him back from being very top class, like a Makinson for example but he’s an absolute workaholic and has grafted his way to being one of the better wingers in the league.

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Quote: nathan_rugby "Do you know this for a fact? Lam ignoring advice of his assistants?'"


They alluded to it at the forum with him selecting multiple players who weren't fit.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "They alluded to it at the forum with him selecting multiple players who weren't fit.'"


Can you paste the exerts from the transcript on this one...

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Quote: nathan_rugby "Can you paste the exerts from the transcript on this one...'"


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The fact only 3 years ago our Grand Final side had 0 Australians, just Tommy and 2 french lads and now we are scrambling over quota spots just shows the mismanagement.

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Quote: NSW "The fact only 3 years ago our Grand Final side had 0 Australians, just Tommy and 2 french lads and now we are scrambling over quota spots just shows the mismanagement.'"


Absolutely.

The signing of Field seemed unnecessary at the time and as though it had been done because they expected one of French or Hastings to leave. We now probably do need him but we then sign Leuluai up to a new deal, which just seems bonkers. I like Isa and wanted to sign him back up but if they had planned to keep Leuluai on, you’d have probably understood if they’d have parted ways, especially given how many good young backrowers we have and Farrell and Bateman cover the need for experience. We sign a quota wingman from the Championship, who has no real top flight history down inder. Now I like the looks of the guy and I think he could go really well but getting a homegrown winger would seem easier than getting a homegrown halfback, so again you could live without that signing.

Those three moves have tied our hands. We could only afford to make two of them IMO.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "They alluded to it at the forum with him selecting multiple players who weren't fit.'"



Who alluded to it?

The club or supporters.

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Who alluded to it?

The club or supporters.'"


He picked players that weren't fit. Do you think he listened to his support staff (analysts, physios, coaches etc) when making those selections?

I may be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but seeing as he demanded a signing (Sammut) and then didn't pick him I'm pretty confident in my maths skills.

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Yeah the idea that Sammut was Lam's choice seems odd, given that, whatever you think about him, the fact is that he wasn't given much of a shot at Wigan.

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