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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "FFS when will this club move on from going back to ex-employees - players or coaches?

New ideas and new personnel are needed right across the club.

I bet ex-girlfriends of Lenegan and Radlinski have to have restraining orders on them as they can't seem to let go of people who've moved on.'"


Whilst he's a former player, is "new ideas" not what Lam was brought over for? He's not played, or been involved with the club for 20 years or so.

People calling for this white knight from the NRL have Madge tinted specs on. For every Madge & Holbrook, there's even more like Lam, Price, Furner etc.

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Wane might be going back to an ex coach but he’d be anything but going backwards IMO. I want a proven winner in charge and he’s just that.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Wane might be going back to an ex coach but he’d be anything but going backwards IMO. I want a proven winner in charge and he’s just that.'"


I'd love to be in that 1st team meeting he takes. icon_evil.gif

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Whilst he's a former player, is "new ideas" not what Lam was brought over for? He's not played, or been involved with the club for 20 years or so.

People calling for this white knight from the NRL have Madge tinted specs on. For every Madge & Holbrook, there's even more like Lam, Price, Furner etc.'"


Lam was brought in to be the stop gap before Edwards for a year. You have to ask why he's still here.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Wane might be going back to an ex coach but he’d be anything but going backwards IMO. I want a proven winner in charge and he’s just that.'"


It's a lazy, comfy, appointment that is why the club has gone backwards at the alarming rate it has over the past few years.

The whole club needs an absolute rocket up its backside starting with Lam and Radlinski going. If Wane replaces Radlinski ok - if Wane is going to be coach in all but name we won't move on as we need to.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "It's a lazy, comfy, appointment that is why the club has gone backwards at the alarming rate it has over the past few years.

The whole club needs an absolute rocket up its backside starting with Lam and Radlinski going. If Wane replaces Radlinski ok - if Wane is going to be coach in all but name we won't move on as we need to.'"


But again he’ll be anything but lazy, the players will be anything but lazy and it won’t be a comfortable environment for anyone. I know that’s not what you’re saying and I agree on some scores that we shouldn’t keep going back to ex players or members of the coaching staff but this isn’t any old player or assistant coach, conditioner etc, this is the man who dealt with the injury crisis that Lam has, dealt with numerous player exits like Lam has had to and blooded loads of kids like Lam has but he won things, plenty of things.

I’m basing me wanting him back on the assumption that any new man would need to work with what he’s given regards coaching staff, back room staff etc. We won’t get that full clean sweep people think we need, a new man wouldn’t be able to lay off every coach and member of the back room staff and bring in their own men, as that is not how Lenagan does things, so if we’re going to keep going down this route of hiring from within and promoting from within, then there is no better man than Wane to oversee that IMO. If somebody said to be it’s a blank canvas and a new man gets an open cheque book to do what he wants with his staff, than great, let’s get in a totally new man but we know they won’t get that.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "It's a lazy, comfy, appointment that is why the club has gone backwards at the alarming rate it has over the past few years.

The whole club needs an absolute rocket up its backside starting with Lam and Radlinski going. If Wane replaces Radlinski ok - if Wane is going to be coach in all but name we won't move on as we need to.'"


From what I’ve heard radders will only be in charge of the marketing and other duties that come with a director (which you can’t really knock him for) Waney will take charge of the buying of players and similar duties. To me with the right coach in place we could be on to a winner. I think Waney knows what he wants in a player and hopefully with input from others could bring the right players in.

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Quote: NickyKiss "But again he’ll be anything but lazy, the players will be anything but lazy and it won’t be a comfortable environment for anyone. I know that’s not what you’re saying and I agree on some scores that we shouldn’t keep going back to ex players or members of the coaching staff but this isn’t any old player or assistant coach, conditioner etc, this is the man who dealt with the injury crisis that Lam has, dealt with numerous player exits like Lam has had to and blooded loads of kids like Lam has but he won things, plenty of things.

I’m basing me wanting him back on the assumption that any new man would need to work with what he’s given regards coaching staff, back room staff etc. We won’t get that full clean sweep people think we need, a new man wouldn’t be able to lay off every coach and member of the back room staff and bring in their own men, as that is not how Lenagan does things, so if we’re going to keep going down this route of hiring from within and promoting from within, then there is no better man than Wane to oversee that IMO. If somebody said to be it’s a blank canvas and a new man gets an open cheque book to do what he wants with his staff, than great, let’s get in a totally new man but we know they won’t get that.'"


I agree we can't get a full clean sweep in one go, but we sure as hell can be ready and planning to get replacements when people's contracts are up. It feels like 2009 again when we need to identify a coach with new ideas and get the club out of the malaise it has got itself into. Our rivals are moving on and trying to get some enthusiasm into their clubs as we start to come out of Covid. If we carry on as we are, people who have got out of the habit of going to games are not going to have good reason to come back.

Like I said if Wane is to replace Radlinski ok, but this incessant looking back at the club is not how you move forward.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "I agree we can't get a full clean sweep in one go, but we sure as hell can be ready and planning to get replacements when people's contracts are up. It feels like 2009 again when we need to identify a coach with new ideas and get the club out of the malaise it has got itself into. Our rivals are moving on and trying to get some enthusiasm into their clubs as we start to come out of Covid. If we carry on as we are, people who have got out of the habit of going to games are not going to have good reason to come back.

Like I said if Wane is to replace Radlinski ok, but this incessant looking back at the club is not how you move forward.'"


I can’t see huge changes in how we do things until such a time Lenagan himself walks away. In that case it takes a pretty special coach to deal with how we do things (promoting from within of players and coaches, regular exits of our best players etc) and whilst Wane may be a comfort blanket of a choice, I can’t think of anybody who I’d have full faith in to make those circumstances work.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "Lam was brought in to be the stop gap before Edwards for a year. You have to ask why he's still here.'"

Well he did top the league and take us very close to winning the Grand Final to be fair. Clearly it's all gone wrong now but it made sense to give him the chance this season.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I can’t see huge changes in how we do things until such a time Lenagan himself walks away. In that case it takes a pretty special coach to deal with how we do things (promoting from within of players and coaches, regular exits of our best players etc) and whilst Wane may be a comfort blanket of a choice, I can’t think of anybody who I’d have full faith in to make those circumstances work.'"



I'm hoping that tomorrows fans forum is an honest (as promised) and frank communication between both supporters and club officials that leaves no relevant questions unanswered. I'm talking everything from IL's future plans to the clubs intentions over the next season or two.

If the club draw a massive line in the sand, put plans in place to recover and rebuild. Put in procedures for improvement both on and off the field then I think most supporters will support this.

Try and pull the wool over fans faces with a fake forum and it will do more harm than good, especially regarding much needed 2022 seasons ticket and merchandise revenue.

I do believe the forum should be recorded and delayed footage released (24hrs at the latest). A live stream could expose embarrassing comments which neither the club nor supporters need at this moment in time.

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Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "Lam was brought in to be the stop gap before Edwards for a year. You have to ask why he's still here.'"


I have no argument about that.

All I'm saying/doing is offering up a bit of caution for the people looking for a magic NRL wand that will solve all of our issues.

Lam had, on paper, the type of CV that many on here would love us to now sign. Part of a few successful NRL systems, head coach experience at PNG and he was the assistant manager for Australia when they won the World Cup.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "I have no argument about that.

All I'm saying/doing is offering up a bit of caution for the people looking for a magic NRL wand that will solve all of our issues.

Lam had, on paper, the type of CV that many on here would love us to now sign. Part of a few successful NRL systems, head coach experience at PNG and he was the assistant manager for Australia when they won the World Cup.'"


I agree - NRL does not always = good. The club need to take their time, do their homework and due diligence and make sure the right appointment is made. Maybe the club are doing that and will surprise us all, but I have to say the last few years don't give me much hope at the moment.

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I think you would get long odds on it being someone other than Peet, those rumours are too strong. Maybe half a chance of Wane till the end of the season first but I don't believe that one to be honest.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Whilst he's a former player, is "new ideas" not what Lam was brought over for? He's not played, or been involved with the club for 20 years or so.

People calling for this white knight from the NRL have Madge tinted specs on. For every Madge & Holbrook, there's even more like Lam, Price, Furner etc.'"

Great point.

It’s not easy to “get a Madge” type coach as people make out.

I can’t get my head round people not wanting Wane back, I really can’t.

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Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
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Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
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