No you don't at all and putting it in CAPITALS doesn't make it right.

You judge the performance across the season. What happened in the previous season doesn't count one bit. I can't see why you think it would. They didn't look at Lam and say "oh he finished 2nd in 2019 and finished 1st this year so he's the COTY"

I put it in capitals because the buttons don't work on this phone, therefore it's the only way to emphasise the year part. Are you actually saying you don't measure any improvement from a baseline? What do you measure it by then? How do you know if you're improving?

Are you actually reading my posts? You're agreeing with what I said. It's you who said that previous years matter. I said...in so many words...that they don't. I'm sorry if this comes across as condescending but there's no other way to say it; when I said "it's coach of the year not coach of the biennium" what exactly do you think that means?

In fact what do you think "You compare any improvement against the baseline you started from in the year you're judging." from the part you actually quoted means?

I think that’s the key as to why he won it, finishing top after a season like that is no mean feat. So put in that context I understand why. If we didn’t finish top and Saints did I’d hazard a guess that Lam doesn’t win but Woolf does.

Hypothetical of course

I'm saying the baseline is zero i.e it doesn't matter what they did the season before.

Everyone is on a level playing field and it's how they perform over that season that counts. Have they achieved with the squad they have etc, not have they improved from previous years like you said below...



The above reads like the previous seasons performance/finish/whatever has some impact on who wins the award.

So Lam has been voted coach of the year by all the other coaches/panel ( I presume) and people on here are having a debate as to is he worth it or not .
Also as we finished at the top we should be slight favourites as we did finish at the top.
If we win the final some will say-
We was lucky
Stains were unlucky
We should have scored more
If Stains had scored more they would have-beat us lol- etc etc etc

Just enjoy I will and I think we will win to be honest as we have the coach of the year and if we lose so be it but we will still have the coach of the year which has been a good year so far for Wigan Warriors.

The baseline can’t be zero. How can it possibly be from a level playing field?

That makes no sense.

If Chris Chester takes Wakefield into the top 4/5 next year he will undoubtedly win coach of the year even if Lam for example does the clean sweep.

Holbrook won it last year despite Watson taking Salford to the Grand Final, so in that example I would still expect Lam to win it especially if we were dominant.

It should be judged on expectation for me where possible. Watson taking Salford to a Grand Final is IMO a bigger achievement than Saints finishing top.

Of course it does - you can't factor in a previous seasons performance.

It's exactly the same as the player of the season awards, no one is looking at McShane and factoring in what he did in 2019. If anything the stats say he's got worse.

Like Egg Chasing said it's based on merit.

Supporters should be proud that any Wigan Coach is selected as winner of the Coach of the Year Award irrespective of who he is!

totally agree Ruddy Duck