Be interesting to see how "the powerhouse clubs" finances would look without simon morans involvement, seeing as there crowds and turnover are way behind the big three of leeds , wigan and saints........perhaps rubbber duckie can enlighten us

Have a look on companies House if you want.

Creating revenue 7 days a week from your own stadium certainly helps matters.

Wires turnover is far greater than Wigan's Wigan lost 1 3 million last year wire turned in a profit of 224k companies House has all the details

On a similar turnover to the wire saints lost 430k

The last thing I’d think ‘Rugby League’ fans would want to do is to start playing One-upmanship against other clubs fans when it comes to teams making losses. If big clubs like Wigan and Saints are making losses like these then the whole game should be worried.

I’d love to see all clubs in rude health but sadly the games not in that shape. It’s being propped up by Sky money, which could be pulled in a couple of years and also by individuals willing to fund these losses. I suppose ultimately that’s sport in general but that cloud of the next tv deal looms over us and people don’t have confidence in the RFL.

Wigan and saints obviously overspending

This, unfortunately.

It's difficult to quantify how much damage a certain clique of negative fans have done to the club, but it can't have had no impact at all.

The problem these days is that any malcontent - and we seem to have more than most - isn't just a terrace bore any more. Now he can speak to the nation through the internet, and while lots of people will ignore these guys, others come to regard them as gurus ... as we saw on the other site (where some posters were so instinctively hostile to IL's regime that it was difficult to believe they weren't some kind of 5th column, and yet they attracted a herd of sheep-like yes men).

My main concern over the years has been that we know IL reads this forum. Given that he's pumped his own cash into the club and led us on multiple trophy-winning campaigns, how must he feel to see his name dragged constantly through the mud? There've been times when I'm amazed he's lasted this long.

I'll freely admit that I lost heart earlier this season. I feared relegation and felt that if we dropped, that would be it. That there'd be no way back and we'd go the same way as Bradford etc. I made posts on here - mainly calling for Lam to be removed and for a better recruitment policy - and I now regret them, because yet again IL has led us towards sun-lit uplands.

I'm not saying the guy's perfect, but compared to the previous administration, when a local journo told me you could ring the club at any time of the week and no one would even answer the phone - there wouldn't even be an answering machine! - it's clear to see that we could be in much, much worse hands.

Get upset if things go wrong, by all means. But keep it in perspective.

There you go. A silent director then. I'll take that. (Should have said 'no visual/vocal active role')

Just on the subject of owning/running your own facility , discussing the cricket from OT cricket ground

This year LCC will turnover 32 million , due to the Ashes a be WC , but in normal years they make more out of hosting Pop concerts and corporate for Man Utd than they do out of cricket , for every Utd game there are 1,000 dining at the cricket ground

Whilst there is nothing we can do about our own stadium unfortunately what we do now have is access to the Robin Park Arena. It's imperative that Wigan RL migrate as much as they can across to the arena (albeit space is limited as only underneath one stand) to maximise revenue.

Now I've not seen inside, nor seen any plans. Has anyone seen inside yet?

If the club had space for corporate dining, indoor bars.. Etc that would be a start.

Wish Lenners would come out and say that the plan is to develop Robin Park as our home stadium within 5 years and that an increase in attendances/season ticket sales would help fund it. Be averaging 20,000 next year.

Praise the lord, brother.

Unfortunately, I feel that if you set yourself that hope seriously, you'll inevitably be disappointed.

Why would we get permission to build a brand-new stadium next door to an already perfectly serviceable one, which we've already been sharing for years?

£175K received in transfer fees.

I trust that doesn't include the transfer fee of arguably the best 2nd row in the world to the NRL. Bateman was worth twice that alone!

If you look at the rlcontractrl that was reported at the time, it appears to have been deliberately structured as such that we couldn't just hold out for a very high transfer fee if an NRL club wanted to sign him for 2019. That's not a knock on the club either, they appear to have found a way to keep him till the end of 2018 and still get a six figure transfer fee.