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| Quote: The Chin's Back "For the sensible posters that realise what SL would be like without the Rhinos in it
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| Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "nON Of the big 4 clubs will ever be relegated, The end'"
bradford were
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| Quote: Pieman "bradford were'"
They weren't really though where they, Top 4 yes Big 4 no, Bradford where knackered with debt and probably wouldn't exist now if they hadn't been relegated
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| Bradford were massive in the early years of super league drew great crowds and won plenty of big trophies they definitely were a big club
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| Quote: JIMMY MAGNETS "Bradford were massive in the early years of super league drew great crowds and won plenty of big trophies they definitely were a big club'"
There where succesfull for a few years, In the 89 years before Super League they won 5 trophies so how can they be a big club?
Having the awesome foursome and creating Bullmania does not a big club maketh, They found out how big they where when they signed Iestyn Harris , They bought their success and paid the price
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| Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "There where succesfull for a few years, In the 89 years before Super League they won 5 trophies so how can they be a big club?
Having the awesome foursome and creating Bullmania does not a big club maketh, They found out how big they where when they signed Iestyn Harris , They bought their success and paid the price'"
in the SL era they were the most successful club early on. they had the crowds, team and trophies. They went bust due to Iestyn Harris and how much it cost them. for me the were the big 4 with Leeds, Wigan and Saints at that time and went down
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| Quote: Pieman "in the SL era they were the most successful club early on. they had the crowds, team and trophies. They went bust due to Iestyn Harris and how much it cost them. for me the were the big 4 with Leeds, Wigan and Saints at that time and went down'"
Pi$$ on the SL era bollox that Hemmings and Stevo have tried pushing down everyone's throats, The sport I watch is RL Which existed long before 1996, I'm sick of all the bigging up of clubs as being the most successful when in reality they aren't, In the history of RL NOT SL Bradford are not or never have been a BIG club, For a short time they where a top club but not a big club, A big club would have been able to deal with the aftershock of the Iestyn Harris incident
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| Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "Pi$$ on the SL era bollox that Hemmings and Stevo have tried pushing down everyone's throats, The sport I watch is RL Which existed long before 1996, I'm sick of all the bigging up of clubs as being the most successful when in reality they aren't, In the history of RL NOT SL Bradford are not or never have been a BIG club, For a short time they where a top club but not a big club, A big club would have been able to deal with the aftershock of the Iestyn Harris incident'"
ah ok so Hunslet, Oldham and Swinton are one of the big 4? They were the best teams
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Another simple question - are Leeds too big to go down?
Whilst they are one of our main rivals and I detest Hetherington, I personally think Leeds going down would be an absolute catastrophe for the game.
The game, imo, needs it's big teams like us, Saints, Leeds, Hull and Wire not only in the tip division, but also battling it out for top honours too. The league is at its undoubted best when these teams are strong and the big games keep coming.
Those five teams, imo, contribute more to the game than the other 8 + championship clubs combined with their fan base, academies and rivalries. The game isn't big enough to loose anyone of them We could lose a Hudds or London and not bat an eyelid, as let's face it - what do they contribute or add? Could the same really be said about Leeds?
The game for me lost something when Bradford collapsed and it would be another death blow if we didn't look at the fixture list next year and see Leeds Vs Wigan/Saints/Wire etc.'"
I wouldn't miss them...and it would be a fantastic boost to the championship game.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "I wouldn't miss them.'"
Only because it would give one of the smaller teams a better chance of winning the league at long , long last .
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| Quote: Rupert Slazenger "Only because it would give one of the smaller teams a better chance of winning the league at long , long last .
What do you mean 'smaller team'?
Smaller club?... lessor reputation?... lower fan base?
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| Leeds would be back in no time, and it wouldn't do too much damage to them in terms of fanbase/what they'll bring to the game. It might even invigorate them with a clean break with what has been all in all a dreadful few years of drift for them.
Undoubtedly bad for the game's appeal to a mass audience, but I wouldn't entertain any ideas of changing the structure to keep them in. Same with a lot the discussions with licencing a few years back, we have to ask some of the fundamental questions about what sport is there for. Fair competition, rewarding success without prejudice. I said the same when we almost got relegated, it would've been a disgrace if it was manufactured that we stayed up just because of our name.
It would be hilarious for a few weeks, bad overall, but ultimately I don't think it will happen anyway. We had quite a bit more than them at headingly the other week, but they had some big physical units which caused us some real problems, even if the quality wasn't there. The likes of Merrin, Hurrell, Singleton, even Cuthbertson will see them over the line in my view, still worry for London over the course of a full season.
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| Quote: Cherry_&_White "
Undoubtedly bad for the game's appeal to a mass audience, but I wouldn't entertain any ideas of changing the structure to keep them in. Same with a lot the discussions with licencing a few years back, we have to ask some of the fundamental questions about what sport is there for. Fair competition, rewarding success without prejudice. I said the same when we almost got relegated, it would've been a disgrace if it was manufactured that we stayed up just because of our name.'"
Hand on my heart I think I'd prefer a closed shop like the NRL.
The yoyo effect of P&R isn't good for anyone apart from a very small minority of clubs who can handle it. Teams like Leigh, Widnes and Bradford have all heavily suffered because of it (not the only issue they all faced tho).
I'd ideally like to see 12 or 14 teams all playing out of decent modern stadiums, with academies and enough revenue to support a decent & competitive playing squad. The only way to get that imo is by making some tough choices, closing the doors and letting them strengthen. A competitive league that's of a decent standard will increase viewing figures and in turn the revenue generated by it.
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| Quote: sergeant pepper "Hand on my heart I think I'd prefer a closed shop like the NRL.
The yoyo effect of P&R isn't good for anyone apart from a very small minority of clubs who can handle it. Teams like Leigh, Widnes and Bradford have all heavily suffered because of it (not the only issue they all faced tho).
I'd ideally like to see 12 or 14 teams all playing out of decent modern stadiums, with academies and enough revenue to support a decent & competitive playing squad. The only way to get that imo is by making some tough choices, closing the doors and letting them strengthen. A competitive league that's of a decent standard will increase viewing figures and in turn the revenue generated by it.'"
I'd agree with this, maybe close it at 14 for now, and say to those outside if they really REALLY want to sit at the top table, they need to take some time to take it seriously, likewise to certain others in SL.
The problem we've had in recent past is teams that were lurking around outside SL promotion were flawed, fev would never have succeeded in SL, whitehaven (going a bit further back)were planning on staying part time if they got promoted.
Start taking your business seriously.(not yours, the royal your)
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| Can they increase it to 14 clubs mid term was it not set in stone there would be one club relegated at seasons end this was agreed with and voted on with all the RL clubs taking part. Reminds me of Brexit the vote was to come out of the EU now they want another vote to stay in.
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