You lot really don't get it do you.

Yesterday two teams turned up. One wanted to play attacking RL the other wanted to break heads.

The team wanting to break heads has been doing that for years getting steadily worse each season.

This season they gave up playing rugby altogether instead working on on the expectation that they were Wigan and thus entitled to get whatever they wanted.

Fans have always been jelous of Wigan, not me, Wigan used to be a beacon imho of how it should be done - not now.

Your team is an exact reflection of your coach, a boorish thug. Like all his kind he got away with bullying for a while but this season people got wise including some of his players and some of your fans.

You are plain awfull to watch that's the truth. Yesterday was niggle after niggle and Farrels slap that was just cringe worthy.

I don't mind tough teams but not teams coached to be dirty. After every tackle yesterday a Wakefield player seemed to emerge with an injury. That's not accidental that's deliberate.

In the end an attractive brand of RL triumphed. Sad thing is that there could and should have been two teams playing that way.

Cut out the arrogance and the thuggish EE and I'm sure you'll soon be a genuine top 4 team again - it's not nailed on - you have no god given right - but at least you'll be attempting it the right way.

Probably right in this instance but he'd have said the same whatever the circumstances. He genuinely thinks he's a stand up comedian these days.

Had a bit of lemon this morning?

Out of the last five grand finals we’ve been in four of them, but we aren’t genuine top 4 because of one bad year... funny.

Although, I would like to see Wane go, we need someone with more attacking flair and fresh ideas.

We got rid of Noble because his job had been done? What did we win in 2009? Or 2008 for that matter? Or the year before?

Not sure what you think I have to feel bitter about.

Wigan are not a local rivalry and unless we get our stadium sorted will always be a bigger club than us. I have no axe to grind it's how I see it.

Yes you've been winning can't deny that but your not attracting are you. There is no buzz around Wigan like there used to be. You have some potentially very good players but hand on heart do you enjoy watching them as much as the 80's and 90's teams - I don't, give me Cas, Hull and even W akefield any day.

Noble’s first job when he came in was to save us from relegation - job done.

His next job was to stabilise the playing side of things given the chaos that had ensued post Mike Gregory and pre his appointment. I think it’s safe to say he achieved that.

However, my point was it was quite obvious that by the end of his tenure despite providing stability, the team was probably underachieving and the playing style wasn’t improving - hence why we needed a decision to be made to take us to the next level.

Had Noble took over Maguire’s side and not Millwards it’s a fair assumption that he would have won something.

Maguire took over the same team as Noble and added Deacon to it the rest is the history books.

It's not often I agree with you but you are absolutely correct about the team.

I think us as fans generally understand the issues but the team simply don't seem to get it.

They play like a petulant set of brats. They have a clear sense of entitlement and arrogance that sadly significantly outweighs their current performance.

This whole "Wigan way" thing is a joke. The Wigan. Way should be striving to innovate and develop as a club not s throwback to 1970's bash and barge rugby.

The sign of a quality coach is one that comes in and leaves the club in a better state than it was when they took over. Wane hasn't done that. He has turned this club from a top quality side to a clueless bunch of individuals who don't seem to understand the word team.

If he loves the club as much as he claims to he shouldn't make it a difficult decision for IL he should just walk away.

I'm sure he is a great bloke but the players don't want to play for him, the fans have been distanced from the club and the performances on the field have been well below par.

Time for some fresh ideas and to move on from the Wigan way of jobs for the boys culture that has re-emerged.

Hardly helps matters seeing pictures of players out on the pi$$ last nighr without a care in the world.

true but Noble had a harder job, the club was broken when Noble took over and was quite stable when madge took over, granted he took them to another level but like the poster said most coaches could have took the team with the ethos and staff etc and won things

Give over they're entitled to a night out after a very bad few weeks at work just like anybody else is. We all know (and so do they) that they've underperformed but they're men and a night out isn't a major issue. Had it been the night before the Cas game fair enough but it's after their season is over.

Completely agree - the strategy of re-signing old players has been an unmitigated disaster and completely handcuffed the club in terms of playing staff.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

If the club had allowed Sam Tomkins to go to Wire, Leuluai to go to Saints, Burgess to go to Leeds which were all strongly rumoured, the same fans on here would have been outraged!

The club did the right thing bringing them back but the season has not gone well. I'm still glad we didn't allow any of thes players, Joel included to go anywhere else.

Not hindsight when Mossop was garbage before he went, nobody has come back from RU a better player and Leuluai was always a better hooker than half. Like I said a disaster all of the club's making.

I wouldn't have been bothered with any of the scenarios you mentioned.

This forum almost blew up when ST was rumoured to Wire and slightly less frantic when TL was rumoured to Saints. You may have not been bothered but I assure you, you were in a very small minority.