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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "I have no complaints about Hull being the better side but how people can say the Clubb one was no try is baffling. He was being held by 3 men and had the ball reefed out and even if he didn't have it reefed out there was a clear hand on it by the Hull defender and it came out. That is a penalty. There is no debate about it, it just is. That's the rules and in that circumstance in that position it is an 8 point try and at 18-10 down was a very crucial and incorrect decision by the Yorkshire video ref.
And to add, look at the defenders hand. His wrist is goose necked like an anchor to reef it out and it doesn't change shape as he takes the ball out. It was the wrong call and you know it. Anyone blessed with the gift of sight knows it.'"
You don't understand the eight point try rule mate. An eight point try is awarded when a foul in the act of scoring (eg high tackle on the try scorer, sliding in feet first into the try scorer etc) totally irrelevant to this situation. It's either a normal try, or a knock on.
For me the call was correct. They have a right to try to stop him grounding the ball, it's up to him to keep a tight hold. If there was a clear rip on the ball then that is different, but there wasn't. As you correctly say, he was just wrapping his hand round the ball to prevent a try
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| [code][/code] Quote: Grimmy "You don't understand the eight point try rule mate. An eight point try is awarded when a foul in the act of scoring (eg high tackle on the try scorer, sliding in feet first into the try scorer etc) totally irrelevant to this situation. It's either a normal try, or a knock on.
For me the call was correct. They have a right to try to stop him grounding the ball, it's up to him to keep a tight hold. If there was a clear rip on the ball then that is different, but there wasn't. As you correctly say, he was just wrapping his hand round the ball to prevent a try'"
You are correct on the 8 point try bit but there was a clear rip on the ball, even Radford said it should have been a try. If that was sent up as a try or the stupid rule about the ref having to make a call didn't exist it would have been given.
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| There wasn't even a pull at the ball. Carlos did what any player would, and should, do in that situation. He covered the ball. The reason the ball came loose is because Clubb tried to pull his arm free to ground the ball. In that instance it is up to Clubb to have better control over the ball. The fact he didn't deemed it as a loose carry.
And as mentioned by others, Wigan should never have been in that position to score the try anyway due to Marshall's foot been on the line.
Fonua's 3rd try been chalked off was a joke. Gildarr firstly makes a poor read in defence but then he even managed to be to Shaul and make at attempt at a tackle so I'm not sure how they can class it as obstruction if the man actually got to the ball carrier and laid hands on him.
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| Listening to the narrative of the video referee it was clear to me that he saw no pull on the ball at any point. He looked carefully at the angles available to him, all the time looking for a pull. On each angle he said he could not see a pull. Given that, it's hard to agree with the assertion that in this case the call of the onfield referee was critical. But I agree that in many instances the live decision does appear to influence the decision too heavily.
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| Quote: Hasbag "There wasn't even a pull at the ball. Carlos did what any player would, and should, do in that situation. He covered the ball. The reason the ball came loose is because Clubb tried to pull his arm free to ground the ball. In that instance it is up to Clubb to have better control over the ball. The fact he didn't deemed it as a loose carry.
And as mentioned by others, Wigan should never have been in that position to score the try anyway due to Marshall's foot been on the line.
Fonua's 3rd try been chalked off was a joke. Gildarr firstly makes a poor read in defence but then he even managed to be to Shaul and make at attempt at a tackle so I'm not sure how they can class it as obstruction if the man actually got to the ball carrier and laid hands on him.'"
Every single professional and ex-professional in the studio, on commentary and your own coach said that it was definitely a ball strip and should have been awarded. That's a good endorsement, as they have a better understanding of the defensive and offensive instincts in that situation than most officials do.
As for Fonua's disallowed try, it was a clear obstruction. It wasn't down to a poor read by Gildart, he was obstructed. And while he did manage to get to Shaul and attempt a tackle, that doesn't mean the fact he was obstructed doesn't matter. Had he not been obstructed then Gildart would have got to the ball carrier quicker. That in turn could have allowed him to prevent the try. It was a pretty straightforward call even in real time.
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| Anyone who thinks the Clubb no try was the correct decision needs to give their head a wobble.
All of the commentators, pundits, and even the Hull FC coach thought it should have been given as a try.
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "I have no complaints about Hull being the better side but how people can say the Clubb one was no try is baffling. He was being held by 3 men and had the ball reefed out and even if he didn't have it reefed out there was a clear hand on it by the Hull defender and it came out. That is a penalty. There is no debate about it, it just is. That's the rules and in that circumstance in that position it is an 8 point try and at 18-10 down was a very crucial and incorrect decision by the Yorkshire video ref.
And to add, look at the defenders hand. His wrist is goose necked like an anchor to reef it out and it doesn't change shape as he takes the ball out. It was the wrong call and you know it. Anyone blessed with the gift of sight knows it.'"
Although you won't admit it, you're wrong. The ball doesn't pop out until Clubb tries to spin over to try and ground it. Carlos has a good grip on the all but it's Clubbs job to keep hold of the ball.
And if your on about wrong calls by the referee and linesmen. Start with Marshalls foot on the whitewash which gave you the ball back to go and score.
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| Quote: A unknown superstar "Although you won't admit it, you're wrong. The ball doesn't pop out until Clubb tries to spin over to try and ground it. Carlos has a good grip on the all but it's Clubbs job to keep hold of the ball.
And if your on about wrong calls by the referee and linesmen. Start with Marshalls foot on the whitewash which gave you the ball back to go and score.'"
No pal, it's you that is wrong. If that tackle had occurred in the field of play the ref blows his whistle for a Wigan penalty. The ball is clearly raked out and all could see it, including Child who is the most inept official we have in our game.
The obstruction was a correct decision all be it a soft one. He takes the ball well inside the runners inside shoulder and runs round the back of him. Regardless of Gildart's honesty in trying to get to Shaun, that's against the rule.
I agree it looked like Marshall had a foot on the line but that was out and out the only 50/50 call that went our way. Hull were better and deserve the win. Sneyd kicked us to death.
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| If you have sky sports and decided to watch their challenge cup 'highlights' you didn't get Clubb's controversial no try, Fonua's disallowed try or even worse your disallowed try in the last minute.What a complete joke
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| If Clubb keeps hold of the ball it doesn't come out - the Hull player never changed his grip it was Clubb who lost the ball
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| Quote: World of Redboy "If you have sky sports and decided to watch their challenge cup 'highlights' you didn't get Clubb's controversial no try, Fonua's disallowed try or even worse your disallowed try in the last minute.What a complete joke'"
Just watched that myself, its as if they cut out all the controversial points, very poor from sky.
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| Since when were disallowed tries included in a highlights reel?
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Since when were disallowed tries included in a highlights reel?'"
major talking points?..always
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| Quote: Pieman "major talking points?..always'"
Dig me out some highlight reels with disallowed tries on them
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| Sneyd and Houghton played the full 80 and bossed the game. MM couldn't even manage the first 20 mins before needing a rest, and Leuluai was his usual ineffective self. For the rest of the season we should bin the part-timer MM, put Leuluai to hooker for the full 80 and give Powell a chance to show he is the half back he claims to be.
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