The truth hurts me thinks.

Ultimately we'll never win with Leeds fans. It's good to see a few back around these parts as I thought they'd all closed their accounts!

Happy enough with last night. Give us the 8 lads missing from our starting 13 back and fingers crossed no Leeds players decide to try and injury any more of ours next time and I'm sure we'll be ok.

Ferres came back on with 31 mins to go.
I'd be interested to know how many times he took the ball up in that 31 minutes.

Crusher tackles and cannoballs are very different though, with a cannon ball the player is stood still and has no contribution to the player running in, a crusher usually comes about from two players struggling to 'win the tackle'

If you are worried about crusher tackles so much, then maybe tell your coach not to spend the whole weeks training practising wrestling instead of rugby, as it is this stupid wrestling that brings these incidents about

Ferres' technique was very poor and he will get a ban almost certainly, but it wouldnt have happened without both players wrestling in the tackle

Utter tripe

On that basis players on the receiving end of a 'cannonball' tackle are also culpable as the third man can only come in to attack the legs if the ball carrier refuses to go down when tackled by two players.

So 2 incidents then?

Your coach admitted to spending the whole weeks preparation in the wrestling pit, and their is video footage of him telling his players to knock people out

A few of your big bad forwards also decided to come over and try bully our youngest player when he was setting up for a kick

Also, Sean O'L, your captain, has admitted that when they were playing Bradford (years ago) he knew he couldnt stop Vinakolo legally and so instead purposley went high on him and ended up ripping out some of his braided hair!

I dont condone what Singleton or Ferres did, but pot kettle black mate

Difference between running and wrestling isnt there though?

When you were a kid Im sure you coach told you to run hard and make meters, he probably didnt tell you to grab players by their joints and use them as levers to win the ptb...

Yep wrestling has nothing to do with it???

Before the wrestling came into the sport rushers were ridiculously rare, but now in the NRL there is one nearly every week, also since the introduction of wrestling injuries in general have rapidly increased

Why do Leeds fans always act like they're RL experts? So boring.

It seems we all agree here that Ferres will face the disciplinary on that one.
I'll be interested to see if Ablett is charged with fingers in FPN's eyes.
FPN was absolutely mad, we've all seen him hit with a high shot and as soon as he hears the whistle he jogs away. He was livid last night. Never seen him that mad before.

I said exactly that last night FT. Something definitely went on in the tackle and it really got to FPN. From the replay it doesn't look like a gauge to me but I may well be wrong. Either way, he shouldn't have reacted the way he did but that's easy for me to say!!

Talk about bkinkered. Ferres' technique was poor until he lifted Gildart up and crushed him for a second time, at that point it became malicious.

I can only assume you are suggesting that once a defender has made contact the attacker should just go down and not try to gain more yards or attempt to land on his front to get a quick play the ball. That's what the wrestling is all about, trying to speed it up in attack or slow it down in defence. May as well play tick and pass then. If you think it's only Wigan who practice wrestling you couldn't be more wrong.

You'd be very right to say I'm concerned about crusher tackles as I am about all forms of dangerous contact. In Magures first season we were bad for it and I hated it and spoke out about it then, I've not changed my mind since. Occasionally accidents happen whether it be poor technique or just an accident but Ferres' was neither. Out of all the forms of dangerous contact the Crusher is the worst imo simply because it has the potential to put someone in a wheelchair for life or possibly worse. On the very rare occasion I see one that I feel is intentional, then yes I'm worried.

It was a bad tackle and Ferres will get a ban. I can see why, with Cherry and white specs on you'd see it as a deliberate piece of foul play. Forgive me for having a touch of the blue and amber in my view that it MIGHT just have been P poor technique. Which ever, he deserves a spell on the side lines to reflect. You have an exciting crop of young tallent coming through, you also have the odd dirty, cheap shot merchant, as do most if not all teams. But whilst ever you employ the Union reject brother, you can't claim to be whiter than white.

P.S. I think SW deported himself brilliantly in the post match interview. Took defeat very well, showed some class in defeat.

1 pr1ck in particular springs to mind