I said the same at the time, the hooter went 2 - 3 seconds after the clocked ticked over to 40:00 allowing Cas to get that extra play.

Did the irony of this self-contradictory statement whoosh over your head totally, or did you realise how ludicrous it was and forge ahead with it anyway?

I thought under the laws the ref is the official time-keeper, and isn't required to stick to the hooter?

Just on Dorn 'tunnelling' at the p-t-b: I only remember one occasion, when he won a penalty.

I remarked on the VT thread about the ridiculous bias levels in Sky's commentary. It's really getting out of hand. I especially noticed it last week, comparing the fairly neutral BBC commentaries of the MW games on the Superleague Show with what I'd heard on Sky earlier. It was like two completely different games!

Anyway, back to Dorn. When he won that pen, Stevo or Tez or whoever the hell it was said "Ha! He really milked that!" in approving terms. Well, yes, it was milking, but is that OK now, and to be applauded? Or only applauded when it's done against Wigan? I thought that was really poor.

It's time I left you to your stupidity and concentrate on the points i witnessed by being at the match. Sorry, you'll not get into the kind of debate with me you obviously want.

You should have seen the Wigan v Hull game a couple of weeks ago... He was utterly terrible.

I am enjoying reading these forums today , hopefully we are turning the corner and these other fans , teams , are getting a bit twitchy ! Wire Whinos ? Will have a beer and watch , would be nice for a Whinos win , can't believe I said that , on the other hand Wire win and the Whinos season must be over

I have just been reading through the Cas Forum, i cannot believe how much stick they are giving Thaler. If they think that was a bad performance they obviously don't watch too many games. Not one of them has the balls to admit they were second best and their thug mentality they turned up with last night backfired on them big style. Idiots.

I can't say I saw any thuggery from either team. Both teams out to prove that they wouldn't be physically intimidated. Cas went over the top a bit with their manner and it probably contributed to their defeat far more than Thaler.

My complaints are generic but amplified last night in namely 1) not playing the ball correctly : 2) not playing the ball off the mark and 3) too much chelp from the players.

All of these are within the referees remit to resolve and are exceptionally easy to put right.
The amount of chelp coming from players of all teams is now beyond the pale and personally I think it can only get worse unless the RL acts. Any abuse to the officials should be a an immediate red card with no exceptions. Bleating and moaning asking for penalties and impersonating Christ on the cross (Clarke at Wire one of the worst) should be a yellow card and if repeated a red.

There are few acts of thuggery on the field these days and fans need to remember that's it's a game of rugby and that from time to time tackles will be mistimed and tackles that start around the shoulder aren't players out head hunting as Stev would have us believe.

OOOOH - A bit precious lad, and make no mistake, I'm not and never will be your mate.

Gees you guys really are obsessed with Saints ey