How long as he got left? Just so I can set my alarm clock.

Stop copying our plays, Cunningham thought of it first. You will start using the drop off pass, next.

The fact that when we got within 2 points of Hull, all we did was drill a kick into their 10m was absolutely shameful and proves we have a lack of ideas, creativity, organisation and skill.

Our powderpuff pack, a braindead of late captain and bang average outside backs panicking with the ball.

We deserved what we got. A good hiding and exposed for what we are.

Average.

I know I sound like a stuck record but we will waltz into the top 4 and most likely be at OT in October. Which annoys me in a sense because we are cack for most of the season but have a habit of turning it on when needed. Saints are similar - they were a 40/20 away from the GF last year and they'd had dog's abuse off their fans most of the season.

If we don't lift silverware this season that will be 3 years without and that's enough for any Wigan coach to be shown the door. We are playing a progressively worsening brand of RL and it needs fresh ideas. Wane can count himself lucky he has had players like Bateman who can drag us to finals regardless of our complete lack of structures and organisation.

I don't agree that we're one of the worst teams in the league, we clearly aren't. But we have miles more potential than we are achieving. People have said individual errors can't be blamed on the coach - I think they can.

A top coach instills focus, composure, confidence and has the team working to clearly understood plans that rub out brainfarts and panic plays. Maguire being the obvious comparison. This current team looks like a rabble potched together with sod all organisation!

Saying all that, we'll t*** Leeds at Newcastle next week

As a Hull fan, I was really happy with those plays, you were on top and causing us problems, you should have tried a more attacking play, we were winning, but still trying to win the game (although some dumb offloads) but it paid off in the end.

I reckon if you had gone for it at that period you would have won.

Around the hour mark (when we brought it back to two points) Hull looked on their feet, they were definitely there for the taking. A missed tackle later on the your 40 and you go up the field and the game was effectively over from then on.

That group of players are capable of much more than they are producing, to consistently play as bad as we are can only mean we are atemoting to play to a certain structure, that said when we do manage to move the ball around its so blatant where it's going you have to wonder why we see so many errors.

The way RL is played had changed over the last few years, it's all numbers and overlaps rather than relying on individual talent. We don't seem to have moved forwards with our structures and we have a lack of individual talent and flair to compensate. We either need new ideas or we do need some new signings with flair and creativity to compensate for our bland methods of coaching. The fact neither of these are going to happen means we are destined to watch this dire brand of rugby for a good while yet.

The captain was the dumbest of them all.

Shocking leadership and discipline last night - awful. Needs the mother of all bollockings this week.

Without John Bateman this team would be 2006 all over again.

Chris the players are useless. I'm tired of spineless, unfit, unimaginative and characterless
players of whom some play a whole 30 minutes a game albeit in 2 sessions with an hours break between the sessions.
I was SW fan but he is dead in the ditchwater. I think all this talk of middles, soft backs, toughness, the Wigan way and another tough week ahead has finally frazzled his brain.
KR and ILs recruitment policy must be the worst in any team sport outside of Newcastle. They have brought us such stars as Pettybourne, Powell, Isa and Laukaki.
The club is Amateurish to point of being funny if it wasn't so important.
A good dose of the middle 8s would be the making of this club.

Chris the players are useless. I'm tired of spineless, unfit, unimaginative and characterless
players of whom some play a whole 30 minutes a game albeit in 2 sessions with an hours break between the sessions.
I was SW fan but he is dead in the ditchwater. I think all this talk of middles, soft backs, toughness, the Wigan way and another tough week ahead has finally frazzled his brain.
KR and ILs recruitment policy must be the worst in any team sport outside of Newcastle. They have brought us such stars as Pettybourne, Powell, Isa and Laukaki.
The club is Amateurish to point of being funny if it wasn't so important.
A good dose of the middle 8s would be the making of this club.

We are as bad as 2006 we just haven't got the bottom of our true form yet.
I genuinely wouldn't rule out us being in the middle 8s.
Can you imagine relying on Crosby, Mossop, JT, Smith, Sarginson and co going to Leyth and having to win to avoid the drop?
Personally I wouldn't play any of those guys again this season even if it meant we had to borrow some lads from Amatuer ranks.
SOL is a busted flush. The club know this but behave like ostriches.
A totally clueless club who have got what they deserve with their negative attitudes, lack of morals, woefully poor work ethic,total lack of basic management skills and reliance on clipboards and statistics.

I don't think our outside backs are terrible: Charnley and Manfredi haven't turned into bad players overnight, Gelling is a threat to opposing defences, and Gildart shows promise and is certainly worth sticking with (his error which led to their second, was it, try, when he tried to flick it back from the side-line to Charnley, showed his inexperience more than anything else. And the awful pass itself from Sarge, was it?).

But yeah, we need at least a couple of decent props and a good half who can lead us around the park. And modify tactics on the hoof in a game if things aren't going as the coach planned. I've remarked before that the top NRL sides do in fact very much play in this 'traditional' style. If you watch a team like the Cowboys, they have props in Tamou and Scott and Hannant with great go-forward, two gifted play-makers in JT and Morgan, and outside backs who aren't considered the superstars of the comp by any means, but who get the job done.

I don't think things are *quite* as bleak as Itchy paints them, but I do think our league position flatters us and agree it won't be maintained if we keep this up. Opposing teams, some of whom seemed beat in the past before they'd even stepped on the pitch, will no longer fear the DW as a fortress.

I've never left a game before the final whistle before last night (albeit only by a couple of minutes); it seems a bit daft when you've had a six and half hour long car journey to get here, but I did yesterday. Many who'd been sat around me were long gone (and it wasn't a deodorant issue, I assure you).

No need to get personal, only time will tell who needs to visit Specsavers.