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| Quote: PurpleCheeseWarrior "It's not but they need a serious turnaround in form to capitalise on it.
No one can seriously believe this is for their benefit though, can they?'"
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At one time I used to wonder how it was that Leeds managed to hang onto players like Watkins, Hall and Hardaker given the big money the Aussies were flashing around without being in breach of the cap themselves. But now, having seen how those three perform without Sinfield and Peacock to hold their collective hand, I can understand it - most likely the Aussies never offered them a dime.
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| I don't like points deductions. It penalises the wrong people - the fans and the current players. It ruins the competition. Salford are guaranteed to be in the bottom 4 now. They might as well concentrate on the cup and wait for the middle 8s.
I hope the RFL are going to be consistent on this matter. Will Leigh, whose Chairman has openly said he will break the cap, be open to the same scrutiny. I suspect not, because Leigh are the RFLs best chance of making the middle 8s work as intended. The Championship is very competitive this year and a points deduction could see them out of the top 4.
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| The politics of envy. We are the most cash strapped sport there is and we penalise a club owner willing to put his money into it.
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| It does seem odd that the RFL actively courted Koucash, who knew nothing about RL before he took over at Salford. They persuaded him to invest heavily in a club that would have gone into administration. I'm not sure what Koucash has gained here by breaking the cap. They were in the bottom 4 last year anyway. This year they seem to have fewer 'stars' but seem well coached and more competitive.
It might have been better for all concerned if the RFL had just looked the other way.
It would serve the RFL right if Koucash walked away, kept his millions to himself and just concentrated on horse racing. I feel that he is an easy target (that's down to himself partly of course with his ridiculous twitter account) and he and Salford would be better served by keeping his mouth firmly shut.
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| They can't bring themselves to look the other way. The levelling down of our sport must be pursued at all costs until we have 2 divisions, all at Leigh's level.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "They can't bring themselves to look the other way. The levelling down of our sport must be pursued at all costs until we have 2 divisions, all at Leigh's level.'"
It's difficult to see past this ultimately, even if it will be the indirect outcome rather than the intended one.
The truth is that - even though he's a bit of a windbag - we need - people like Koucash, money men who are looking to have fun in the sport. And yet he's surely likely to leave us soon.
It's certainly an odd one, the salary cap. It hasn't prevented clubs going under and has failed to prevent the same leading clubs dominating the game. At the same time, it has contributed to the loss of star players to Australia and RU. And yet the RFL are so dedicated to it that they stick with it through thick and thin - and when did we ever know the RFL be so keen on any big change they made that it lasted more than a few years?
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| Quote: Cruncher "It's difficult to see past this ultimately, even if it will be the indirect outcome rather than the intended one.
The truth is that - even though he's a bit of a windbag - we need - people like Koucash, money men who are looking to have fun in the sport. And yet he's surely likely to leave us soon.
It's certainly an odd one, the salary cap. It hasn't prevented clubs going under and has failed to prevent the same leading clubs dominating the game. At the same time, it has contributed to the loss of star players to Australia and RU. And yet the RFL are so dedicated to it that they stick with it through thick and thin - and when did we ever know the RFL be so keen on any big change they made that it lasted more than a few years?'"
It is because certain club directors ???? will not let the salary cap increase and let the sports do its job.
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| Quote: Cruncher "No.
At one time I used to wonder how it was that Leeds managed to hang onto players like Watkins, Hall and Hardaker given the big money the Aussies were flashing around without being in breach of the cap themselves. But now, having seen how those three perform without Sinfield and Peacock to hold their collective hand, I can understand it - most likely the Aussies never offered them a dime.'"
Many people on this forum have held Leeds up as an example of how we should be "holding on to our better player"... I have pointed out on many occasions, to deaf ears, that it was flawed.... The cost of the Leeds success in recent years is biting now...
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "The politics of envy. We are the most cash strapped sport there is and we penalise a club owner willing to put his money into it.'"
Agree 100 per cent. It's ridiculous.
The thing is, the cap hasn't even made Super League 'that' competitive. Only 4 different winners of the comp in 20 years. People might point to Castleford's and Huddersfields improvement in recent years, but then 10 years ago we had Hull in the Grand Final and the likes of Wakefield reaching the playoffs, and doing well, but what's happened to them since?
If it's still not had much benefit after 20 years then something needs to change, the marquee player rule was a good start but it's time for a significant increase in the cap, or else the gap between SL and the NRL and Union is going to continue to grow.
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| Quote: Wigan Peer "Many people on this forum have held Leeds up as an example of how we should be "holding on to our better player"... I have pointed out on many occasions, to deaf ears, that it was flawed.... The cost of the Leeds success in recent years is biting now...'"
I think I'd take 10+ years of unparalleled success in exchange for 1 or 2 barren years. Anyway knowing Leeds, they'll scrape into the 8 in the final game before the split, then reach the Final again.
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| Quote: Cruncher "No.
At one time I used to wonder how it was that Leeds managed to hang onto players like Watkins, Hall and Hardaker given the big money the Aussies were flashing around without being in breach of the cap themselves. But now, having seen how those three perform without Sinfield and Peacock to hold their collective hand, I can understand it - most likely the Aussies never offered them a dime.'"
They still have great players I think that's unfair. They're bound to have growing pains coping without Sinfield and Peacock and to a lesser extent Leuluai. We had similar struggles when we lost lots of experience around the same time, Faz, Rads, Cassidy etc.
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| I agree the SC isn't doing much for the sport, but increasing or even eliminating it is surely going to be no panacea.
Who are these great swathes of players we've lost to Union and the NRL? Joe Burgess, Sam Burgess and Jammers, granted, but Sam Tomkins was only gone for five minutes. Hodgson and Cooper's loss was hardly greeted with wailing and gnashing of teeth; they weren't thought of as anything that special at the time. I think you could say the same about the Burgess twins. And let's not forget, to be fair, we get a fair few from the NRL and Union ourselves.
Losses to Union? Chris Ashton? We've got better wingers than him at Wigan now. Apart from him, the only other one that springs to mind is Ben Te'o, and he came from the NRL.
I'm not saying that it may be an increasing trend which should worry us (Sarginson, J Burgess, etc), but the idea that SL *right now* has been heavilly weakened by defections seems a bit wide of the mark to me.
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| How many kids go and play RU because they see more money and opportunity there (Stephen Myler) or their Dad has been offered a lucrative role or because they've been released by a club because they haven't shown their full potential by age 19?
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| Quote: Wigg'n "How many kids go and play RU because they see more money and opportunity there (Stephen Myler) or their Dad has been offered a lucrative role or because they've been released by a club because they haven't shown their full potential by age 19?'"
I have no idea, but probably plenty. But tweaking the SC isn't going to help with that problem much, is it? Surely most clubs are cash-strapped; blowing away the SC isn't going to see big pay increases for players across the board, although it would probably mean a tidy increase for some already established SL players.
Hey, I'm not saying do nothing, and it's probably worth raising the SC. But all the arguments have been rehed on here many times; there'd be as many boos as cheers, from clubs and fans,
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