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| Quote: Cruncher "Where is the lack of humility?
These are just observations. Another one is that Matty's England selection surely indicates the standards in the British game at present - which, to be honest, we already know about. Our three top clubs got totally rolled in the WCC. Granted, there were players missing, but they got hammered, smashed, humiliated. It was men against boys.
We don't even have to go back as far as Andy Gregory to name Wigan scrum-halves who were better than Matty. Tommy L, Adrian Lam. Not Brits, but they lit up the domestic competition in the UK. It may seem unfair comparing MS to players in earlier eras, but that's my point. Current levels of qualiy are very low across the board - even compared to just a few years ago.
I think that's the explanation behind Matty's selection. Let's remember that for a brief time, George made the England team too - and he's nowhere near ready for that yet.'"
I wouldn't disagree with anything you've said. But why single Matty out? If he's the best of a bad bunch then surely that means others are worse. How does that make him a liability? How does that mean he's not good enough for Wigan? He seems to be the current scapegoat on here for some reason.
And before you get too misty eyed about the past I well remember going to the 1992 World Cup Final at Wembley when our scrum half that day was none other than Derek Fox from Featherstone. A good player for sure, but give me Matty any day. His performance in a Man of the Match display in the third test seems to have been overlooked in a "What have the Romans ever done for us?" kind of way. Matty was the lynchpin of the double winning team lets not forget (Lance Todd winner too). He may well be missing Blake but I reckon if we put Sam in there it would make for a very tasty partnership.
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| I thought Dobson last Thursday looked far more dangerous than Smith. Not saying Matty was poor, more that he was quiet. Dobson has a great boot too.
For someone who was instrumental in our survival in 2006 cant believe we never made an approach for him since.
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| Quote: moto748 "Jeff Robson might be a better comparison.
And if you try all three at once you fall on your backside.
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "I wouldn't disagree with anything you've said. But why single Matty out? If he's the best of a bad bunch then surely that means others are worse. How does that make him a liability? How does that mean he's not good enough for Wigan? He seems to be the current scapegoat on here for some reason.
And before you get too misty eyed about the past I well remember going to the 1992 World Cup Final at Wembley when our scrum half that day was none other than Derek Fox from Featherstone. A good player for sure, but give me Matty any day. His performance in a Man of the Match display in the third test seems to have been overlooked in a "What have the Romans ever done for us?" kind of way. Matty was the lynchpin of the double winning team lets not forget (Lance Todd winner too). He may well be missing Blake but I reckon if we put Sam in there it would make for a very tasty partnership.'"
Despite other stuff I've said, this is honestly not 'pick on Matty week'.
I also feel we are lacking any strike-force in the centres. I don't rate Sarge and Gelling is too unreliable, while we have weak links in the forwards too (Mossop being the most glaring example, though even our back-rowers are very small).
But I feel that one of the biggest problems is our lack of creativity. George could be so much more dangerous running alongside a scrum half who can open doors for him. We are third in the league with a points-difference of only 15. The three teams below us have a better one than that, while the two above us are way higher. It was a key problem towards the end of last year that we couldn't score tries. Thus far in 2016, it's the same story. Surely our main play-maker must take a lot of the blame for that?
He's a willing lad, Matty Smith, and by all accounts a nice a guy, but I feel Wigan are in a real rut at present. Instead of recruiting experience, we've again relied on an exciting generation of youngsters - but the best one of those has now left and the one everyone used to really rave about can't even get into the Castleford first team. That's what happens when you bank on kids. You're lucky if one or two of them make the grade. Okay, that's not Matty's fault - but I just feel we need a big clear-out of those who aren't performing and to replace them with some real quality, and our midfield general role is the most vitally in need of overhaul.
I know that's not easy, by the way, especially mid-season. But I feel it's a new strategy we should be adopting at the soonest opportunity.
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| I agree that Smith is jot as bad as made out by a lot of posters, he has won games for us and he is a steady influence. I would like a fast line busting scrum half but that's not his game, he does have the best kicking game at the club and he is our goal kicker. His goal kicking looks better he seems to have added more range to his kicking he was close with every kick on Thursday.
Any replacement would have to tick a lot of boxes
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| Matty Smith worlds best number 7...
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| Got to give it to Smith. He messed up by kicking dead at a crucial time to hand Hull the lead but to fight back and drop two goals over should give him a lot of confidence.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Got to give it to Smith. He messed up by kicking dead at a crucial time to hand Hull the lead but to fight back and drop two goals over should give him a lot of confidence.'" It hardly handed Hull the lead. They did have 80 metres to go!!!
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "It hardly handed Hull the lead. They did have 80 metres to go!!!'"
I assume you are referring to the grubber which went touch in goal rather than touch, resulting in a 20m restart rather than the desired 10m scrum. I think NK is referring to the kick off which went out on the full, which is a penalty of the halfway, so after the penalty kick to touch they would have had 30-40 to go with a full set. Surely you can't deny it was a big let off for them and strongly contributed to their comeback?
Having said that, impressed with Smith for nailing both drop goals and making the decision to go for them. I've been critical of him the past few weeks for not even going for the one point on offer at crucial times but he did the job twice here. Last season he tended to miss one before he got one as well but none of that on Friday. Ideally he would have kicked the touchline conversion, not given away big penalty and either put the grubber in touch or kicked the second drop goal at that point but I know he's not Thurston, or even Sinfield. He did the job well here.
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| Quote: Grimmy "I assume you are referring to the grubber which went touch in goal rather than touch, resulting in a 20m restart rather than the desired 10m scrum. I think NK is referring to the kick off which went out on the full, which is a penalty of the halfway, so after the penalty kick to touch they would have had 30-40 to go with a full set. Surely you can't deny it was a big let off for them and strongly contributed to their comeback?
Having said that, impressed with Smith for nailing both drop goals and making the decision to go for them. I've been critical of him the past few weeks for not even going for the one point on offer at crucial times but he did the job twice here. Last season he tended to miss one before he got one as well but none of that on Friday. Ideally he would have kicked the touchline conversion, not given away big penalty and either put the grubber in touch or kicked the second drop goal at that point but I know he's not Thurston, or even Sinfield. He did the job well here.'"
My mistake, I remembered the grubber but conveniently forgot the kick off!
He seems to have added to his range doesn't he, unless there was a strong wind behind that kick. Anyway you are right, that was a bad error.
Referring to the last drop goal, he was very clever, he organised the backs to his right in plain view so that the defence weren't able to push up on him, thus keeping them honest. It gave him the chance to measure his kick instead of rushing it.
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