Charnley has never looked anything like his earlier form since he added that last eight or ten pounds to his frame. Watching him now is like watching those astronauts struggling to walk in simulated high-gravity. Maybe this is his optimum size and frame - but I'm not sure it's doing his speed, acceleration or agility any favours.

I actually think he's clearly better than the names you've mentioned. His all round game is superb, just because he doesn't play in the NRL doesn't mean he's not the best.

Take a look at origin, QLD played 2 fullbacks on the wings and NSW play a former winger now FB and a centre on the other.

We'll have to agree to differ, then.

Not sure how many of the names I mentioned are eligible for Origin anyway. Like, I suspect, many over here, I find the arcane rules about eligibility (and the fact that they seem to coolly ignored when it suits them), and the humourless obsessiveness with which is is followed a big turn-off.

I'd say RTS and Brett Morris are better than him (though both play fullback at club level), and I think Burgess will surpass him in the next two years...though again, he may be moved to fullback for the Roosters briefly, depending on whether Latrell Mitchell is ready at the start of next season - he only turned 18 a month ago, but is absolute class.

My opinion on the Origin thing is because Aussies seem to view the wing with less importance than we do. Once a player is used to playing first grade, and is a dangerous player, you don't get enough opportunities on the wing, whereas if you can move them to fullback, they'll be involved a lot more. It's not that QLD and NSW are having to pick players (truly) out of position because there's such a lack of good wingers, it's that most of the best wingers have been moved to more pivotal positions.

Yes, agree with all of that.

who would you say that is that, out of curiosity?

Burgess. Per match him and Hall are pretty similar for metres, clean breaks and tackle busts, Burgess does better in average gain per carry, has loads more try assists, less missed tackles, less penalties and more tries. He has made more errors than Hall though. Burgess is probably better in the air too.

Yes, that.