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Quote: DaveO "Maybe it's not just Flower who is affected by the perception that if there is retaliation they will be hauled over the coals?

If the Wigan forwards are think they are under the spotlight (whether they are or not in reality) they aren't going to rush in and smack someone like Simms regardless of what he did.

Also if the club has banned retaliation as some form of PR exercise they have basically cut the balls off the forwards.

And before anyone says I am condoning violence when I mention retaliation I don't mean poleaxing players as a matter of course over nothing but what most fans would actually like to see happen if their team's halfback got punched on the ground.

Maybe I am clutching at straws and the lack of aggression isn't due to any club directive or fear of disciplinary retribution and they really have become a powder puff pack but I hope not.'"

Spot on DaveO

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Surely if players know it's an automatic red card for any punch (and the NRL is the same), they won't do it? And this applies to all teams, so there's no reason it should be hobbling Wigan any more than any other side.

Whether we think the automatic red thing is a good idea or not is another matter, but it shouldn't restrict us anymore than anyone else.

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Quote: Cruncher "You're right, and so all similar attacks must be judged in the same way from now on. I await Simms's punishment with interest.'"


As I said in my original post

Quote: Cruncher "Obviously I haven't seen the Simms incident and so can't comment on it other than to say, if he's guilty of an offence I hope he gets what he deserves.'"


My point was the outrage about the GF incident wasn't synthetic as you said it was. I can't comment on the incident with Simms, beyond what I've said because I didn't see it.

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Quote: TOMCAT "As I said in my original post

My point was the outrage about the GF incident wasn't synthetic as you said it was. I can't comment on the incident with Simms, beyond what I've said because I didn't see it.'"


RL rarely makes national headlines. Frankly the dailies and national news bulletins couldn't care less about it. We barely exist to them. In which case, for them to give such coverage to a foul and speak about it in such disgusted terms was HIGHLY synthetic. But I'm not just talking about that, I'm drawing a comparison between that very fake reaction to the Flower incident and the near non-existent reaction to the Williams incident - I don't think Wiggie and Slaphead even mentioned it. But as you say, you didn't see that and so can't comment. In which case, best to leave it there, eh?

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Quote: tank123 "WTF is Andy Flower.

What book did he write will look for it asap.

Think you need to learn to read tbh or if you have dyslexia i do apologise. Either way.

I am not www.superleague.co.uk/article/32 ... rs-charged?
Both Clark and Sims charged, yet Wigan didn't even get a penalty, I wonder if that's what Wane was referring to about a strong referee.

www.superleague.co.uk/article/32 ... rs-charged?


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A Grade B 1-2 match ban for Simms with the option to use an EGP

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Posted: July 6 2015 4:55 pm

Never mind Sims cheeky little punches.

Part and parcel of the game.

Its Clarke's Crusher Tackle that needs to be looked at. The reason Williams was down had nothing to do with the jabs from Disco Thor. It was because of the sickening amount of pressure Clarke placed on the neck.

Westwood did one earlier on the game on Farrell that was not picked up either.

These Crusher tackles are far worse than any Chicken wing, Canon ball or Squirrel type move.

Its someone bloody spinal column that is being stretched. Needs to be stopped ASAP.

Quite happy for people to have a bit of punchy punchy though. Nothing wrong with a wee bit of man dancing.

trying to paralyse someone is a different thing altogether

Chuck a massive ban at Clarke and send the message out. If a Wigan player does it then throw the bl00dy book at him.

Accidental or not, publicly flog the player for being so malicious or reckless that they would do such a thing.

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Posted: July 6 2015 5:11 pm

Quote: tugglesf78 "Never mind Sims cheeky little punches.

Part and parcel of the game.

Its Clarke's Crusher Tackle that needs to be looked at. The reason Williams was down had nothing to do with the jabs from Disco Thor. It was because of the sickening amount of pressure Clarke placed on the neck.

Westwood did one earlier on the game on Farrell that was not picked up either.

These Crusher tackles are far worse than any Chicken wing, Canon ball or Squirrel type move.

Its someone bloody spinal column that is being stretched. Needs to be stopped ASAP.

Quite happy for people to have a bit of punchy punchy though. Nothing wrong with a wee bit of man dancing.

trying to paralyse someone is a different thing altogether

Chuck a massive ban at Clarke and send the message out. If a Wigan player does it then throw the bl00dy book at him.

Accidental or not, publicly flog the player for being so malicious or reckless that they would do such a thing.'"


Spat mi coffee out at that Crusher, and i agree re Crusher "Tackle".....

Still, a prone player punched which should be punished, i was disgusted with Flowers punches, and i am with these.. Stood up handbags, fair enough, 10 mins in bin to cool off.

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Posted: July 6 2015 5:30 pm

For somebody thats supposed to be a "hardman",sims doesnt impress me very much,anyone who picks on a 19 year old kid in the manner he did is just a ehouse of the highest order and as for westwood squaring up to sarginson the last time he did that he was knocked out by one punch by cas centre Gray Viane icon_lol.gif

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Posted: July 6 2015 7:49 pm

To be honest I'd have my money on Sarg - he was laughing at the Neandethal and looked well up for it. As we all know, Westwood will only punch players who are pinned down an can't fight back.

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Posted: July 7 2015 8:13 am

Quote: Grimmy "Against Salford on easter Monday Bateman came off the bench, had a fight with Haruaki, got binned, came back on, had a fight with Haruaki, got sent off, tried to carry it on down the tunnel!

Sutton had a fight during the Huddersfield home game as well and got decked. Got sin binned then came back on to score the winning try'"


Of course. I was at both games but they'd slipped my mind. As pointed out though it's been a while and incidents have certainly been few and far between. I suppose that's the same across the whole league though to a point due to bans being dished out.

We do need to get more physical though and if bans come then so be it. We're being bullied at the moment which is surely the ultimate embarrassment for a coach like Wane. Weirdly though he doesn't seem to mention it.

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