Yes, I can't argue with any of that. Just rubbish rugby.

Long time no hear Alice.
Agree with virtually all of your points which must be a first.
Masoe? He is as mard as shoite and couldn't rough up my 3 year old grandson. He couldn't enforce in an old folks home. You enjoy the present its hard if not impossible to defend our pack but don't bring in mard lard as some sort of tough enforcer for us to aspire to.
Questions for you - can you advise of any footage at anytime where he actually goes on the cobbles with any player in any match? Peacock, Skerrett, McTigue, Karailius and many many more could put someone on their arris and were proper enforcers who would make mard lard brown his kecks just by looking at him.
Enjoy your season and your probable forthcoming success but don't try and big up the type of player ie ten minute per session players who are slowly killing my love of what was an eighty minute game but has become a "squad" game of average joes who put in a split 20 or 30 minute shift.
I look forward to viewing the you tube footage of mard lard actually on the cobbles having a one to one toe to toe set to that you will undoubtedly be sending to me.

I put all this squarely on the shoulders of SW.

In 2009 that IL said We want success now. Success now is Australian coaches," '"

I can fully accept tonight we lost and were poor. I can just about accept the manner in which we were beaten. I can even live with the tactics in regards to our props, the deficiencies there and throughout the team. I even want Wane to stay, but what I simply cannot accept is Wane's continual inability after such performances to publicly admit our failings, he seems beyond reproach. I want an acknowledgment our pack isn't big enough, or doing enough hard yards and that our attack whilst predictable isn't clicking at all. At least admit we have an issue with attack which we are trying to rectify (no shame in that) and are perservering with rather than spouting the same old rubbish after each loss that the ref was soft, that wasn't Wigan, too many errors, we were out fought or out enthused. If he admitted the truth that there are serious issues we are trying to rectify he might gain a modicum of respect and understanding.

You're certainly not the Wigan of old that's for sure........but I never expected to troll your Board to view a post like this !!!

Our away form is a concern, and we need to rectify that going into the super 8's. We are so Jekyl and Hyde this season, going from the Leeds win at the Magic weekend, Hull KR and Warrington at home (our best attacking performance imo) to Saints, Cas and Catalans away. The casm between our best and worst performances is huge.

But looking at it in a glass is half full kind of way, we could have gone joint top last night with a win and are still comfortable in 3rd. It's not so bad is it?

I think there's parallels between this season and 2013, and we all know how that went when it came to the business end...

I've just read Wanes post match comments and I'm raging!

'We were out enthused but that happens sometimes' and 'the things we did out there aren't us'.....yes they are, they are us and have been all year! And as for being out enthused, that's been the case 80% of the time this year and the fix has been promised on a weekly basis but still shows no sign of turning up.

Emotions run high after a game and people may have had a beer or ten so you understand knee jerk reactions but I feel more knee jerk now then last night after reading that.

Wake up Waney, the sands of time are running out unless he wises up.

I'd throw Dom Manfredi in as well and even though not everything came off George Williams gave it a crack.

It was obviously his fault for the defeat (again) though as it was he that was dragged off.

Isn't that just what he always says?

Ahhhhmm devustayted, that's not the real wiggun. We set our standuds igher than that.

I actually don't think the 3/4s played too badly, constantly looking for work, doing what they can to get us out of trouble (job the props should be doing). Gelling was a bit hit and miss but it's his first game back after a spell out.

Watching the match last night what struck me was how subdued Wane looked throughout the match sat in the stand and even in the dressing room at halftime apart from a few token waves of his cue board the talk seemed to be over in less than a minute.
Every time Wigan made a mistake and the camera went to him there was none of the usual head shaking, arm waving and ranting he just sat there stony faced, he looked like he was suffering the early stages of depression.
Or he could have been suffering from "man flu" because he was wearing what seemed to be a very heavy sweater.

As for the match the less said the better, but there is obviously something going on at the club.

My thoughts too. I read it and couldn't help shouting “shut up shut up”. He makes it worse repeating the same things over and over again after every shockingly bad performance. I've held off calling for his replacement until now because I didn't want to be a knee-jerker, but now I feel the time is coming, and if there's no big turn-around soon (and I can't see one coming) he should go. Then it's who? Well one hat I would throw into the ring is Daryl Powell, he seems to have the knack of getting the best out whatever he's got.

That was a pi$$ poor performance. Pitiful even. Give Wane to see out this circus until the end of the season and if we win nothing it's almost certainly time to go. We all know Wane has his favourites and his bias and friendship with some of the players and families are crucifying this club, guaranteed games whether they are woeful or not. We need wholesale changes.

Bowen and Patrick will be gone thankfully but joining them should be, Sarginson, Smith, Mossop, Tautai and Crosby needs a kick up the or get rid too.

We have swapped a decent centre (who is OOC at the end of the season) and loaned him out to Huddersfield and got a complete waste of salary in return. Jack Hughes will sign permanently for Hudds im sure. 5 times the centre Sarginson is. What a complete waste.

I would draft in Corey Patterson from Salford, The man is a flying machine and strong as an ox, brings so much more to the table than Mossop, Tautai and Crosby. We need an experienced NRL prop and we need to bring back the meter maker Burke from Hull KR. Why do we keep experimenting with loose forwards that clearly won't cut it when we have Burke starting at 13 at KR and doing well.

Smith just offers nothing I am afraid. He isn't a game breaker, his kicking is woeful (although he made a couple of rare ones last night) and his leadership and handling leaves a lot to be desired. We need an experienced No. 7 with vision and a game brain alongside Hampshire at No. 6. Powell needs to be back up half back and Williams needs to revert to interchanging No. 9 with MM.

So that leaves the centre, Is Ratchford the answer I don't know, maybe. Personally I would grovel to Jack Hughes, apologise that he was farmed out and give the lad a new contract. Get Thornley fit in the off season so he can challenge for both centre positions leaving Tierney to cover FB and the wings.

Bateman and J. Tomkins to play second row and make Farrell work and train hard for a place in the squad because for 2 seasons his lack of form and poor discipline certainly does not warrant a claim in the 13.

Is there something going on? Or is it just years of losing our best players taking its toll? Plus trying to integrate a lot of youngsters into the side at the same time. Mix that with our most influential player and captain being in and out of the team, it doesn't exactly breed consistency.

You clearly have all the answers, send Lennigan your CV pal you might be in with a chance!