Campese ran the show with help from Kelly. In comparison our halves looked totally lost but then with no ball to work with its little surprise.

Gelling and Joe Burgess are having nightmares in terms of errors.

Joe Burgess doesn't seem the same player this year. 2nd season syndrome? Off form? Mind on the roosters?

Hopefully with Williams and to a lesser extent Sarginson being out I'll have moved up a place to 2nd in sldreamteam.co.uk and have won £100 of RFL vouchers, 4 match tickets and a signed shirt

He needs a spell out of the team his error count is horrendous but the same could be said for a few others.

The failure to replace Green maybe the loss of one quality player too many as Smith seems totally lost without him.

Today was a shambles and to top it off its long drive home !

I always felt that green was the danger man when we played Wigan. Very clever player. Always thought would be a massive loss.

Is it wane going wirh youth or IL not spending the cash to replace at top stand off ?

Blake wanted to go back to Aus. Probably only stupid amounts of money would've kept him here but you never know.

We are really missing him.

Cash, always cash IMO.

Lenagans comments at the start of the season that this was our best squad in his time at the club stink of a bloke knowing he's left us a bit short.

We'll be there or thereabouts this year but that's more to do with the comp still being weak.

Defo will be up there and I Agee the comp is weak.

It's only the last two seasons that saints started to recruit better quality after years of under spending which Id guess was towards funding langtree park. McManus used the same line that we had a very strong "home f
Grown" squad.

This Wigan team has been diluted down in quality every season from when we won the Grand Final with Michael Maguire. Due to the average quality of SL opposition in general has meant we've managed to stay around the top a little longer than we ought to have. Every season we have bought cheap and brought more youth in to cover, keep doing this and eventually you get burned. Could this be the season?

I think the bottom line with Saints is your recruitment has improved rather then you spending more. Guys like Josh Perry and Hohiha were/are expensive mistakes but more recently guys like Walsh, Burns, Amor etc have hit the mark.

We've got a good side but the lack of discipline is alarming!

Oh dear, bit arrogant that quote eh.

I think we have far too many uncertainties going into this season:

Mossop - One hard tackle away from his biscuit shoulder collapsing on him again, then him out for the rest of the season.

Lockers - Plays a few, misses a few.

Bowen - Another misses a lot of games, looks disenterested when he does play.

Burgess - His mind already in Aus?

Flower - How will he perform after a long ban?

Charnley - Rumours he's off end of season.

Smith - Average goal kicker, lots of pressure on him now Green has gone.

Potentially, yes.

Sticking with Bowen at FB has been a disaster, as has relying on Smith to lead us round the park.

You're asking far too much of 18-22 year olds to perform week in, week out.

You only have to go back to 2012, look at the experience and class we've lost and not replaced.

Tomkins, Carmont, Richards, Finch, Leuluai, Hansen, even good club pros like Goulding and Tuson.

That team would wipe the floor with the current one.