Um where did you get your facts from? According to the rfl disciplinary page the 17 players Wigan played in the semi final has had 50 citings this year alone. Breakdown being:

Bowen 6; charnley 1; gelling 1; Sarginson 3; Burgess 0; green 0; smith 0; flower 6; mcilorum 5; Crosby 1; tomkins 1; Farrell 4; SOL 4; powell 5; Pettybourne 8; Clubb 2; Bateman 3.

By comparison the Saints 17 who played in the semi have had 29, Warrington had 31 and Catalans 36. the leeds team who lost to Catalans had 29 citings over the course of the year...

All info from the rfl disciplinary page - I chose the semi teams for the comparison because a) I can't be bothered to do the statistics for all 5 squads and b) it seemed an even ground to compare usual playing standards from...

Citings are "things that are close to the line so we look into it" - charges only come if the line is crossed. But this is precisely the perception - Wigan play closer to the line than most other teams (which is why they're more cited) which gives the perception of being dirty, even if it isn't actual foul play.

Hence why I used citings itself.

Fair point tbh.

But how many players got disciplinary action taken against them. From what i can gather Wigan were not the worst in SL.

There is a difference between playing to the edge of the rules and going over them like Hohaia and Flower did on the weekend.

Who's perception is it though? It certainly isn't my perception.

I don't care about perception, I care about facts, as they are the only things that prove anything.

It could also be argued that, in the perception of the committee responsible for citings, Wigan did more things that were close to the line. However, the number of charges that followed proved their perception to be wholly incorrect.

He is just using any statistic he can get to justify his argument and refusing to look further as it will not uphold his argument any further.

I'm not looking at any further statistic because I don't have time to - as much as I'd like to compile a full model on the matter, life gets in the way. It's not any statistic, I've given my reason why I used the statistic I did and you yourself said it was a fair point.

You can ask "but whose perception is it" all you like - but it's clearly a common held belief amongst fans outside of your club. I think Wigan play closer to the line than other clubs, the stats I provided backed that up. I've not accused Wigan of being dirty or anything else, but I can understand how people interpret the citings as such (that doesn't mean they're right).

If wigan as a club don't want to be accused of "thugby" they need to step in line with the number of citings (the number of times they get close to stepping over the line) with other clubs - whatever that takes.

Reason your not looking any further is as i said it does not support your agenda and you fully well know that.

Otherwise you would have posted banned players and not citings.

Sorry, but that is complete nonsense.

You cannot use the most spurious of all the available statistics to prove a point that is unprovable.

Which club do you follow? Have you done any meaningful research on your own club versus others before jumping onto your high horse and coming to meaningless conclusions?

But, Jack's statistics refute your belief and Jack's hold more water.

Exactly.

Well i am bored to death today. Come from work so i had a look on the RFL site and put in dates for 1 year from the date of this season Grand Final. Adn the reuslts in which team had the most players called up before the Comittee.

MAESTRO PLEASE

St Helens got 7 players
Wigan got 7

Thats why he did not do the search as he knew the answer and he calls us dirty.

Well both are just as bad as each other.

Could it not be possible

(now this might be beyond the comprehension of some folks)

That maybe.....

Just maybe.....

EVERY team in the WHOLE of Rugby League, could have a couple of players that like to partake in the biff?

If this was the case, could it not also be possible, that EVERY SINGLE BL00DY team in SL could be perceived to have played beyond the laws of the game at one point or another?

Is that such a far fetched possibility?

Ahem



So conclusion, teams cross the line as often as each other, but Wigan are closer to it more regularly which is why other clubs fans accuse you of thugby ... Sounds suspiciously like the conclusion I put in my first post on here...