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Quote: St pete "I found the rehab quote pretty funny. Dbol isn't addictive and for that matter no PED is addictive so god knows what he's going to rehab.

I'm pretty clued up on PEDs and Dbol (Methandrostenolone) and I know 100% it's not addictive.'"



Rehabilitation isn't just for addictions, I believe they mean rehabilitation as in him learning more in general about drugs and the consequences of drugs. Also i will imagine he will be doing some community service and volunteer work.


I would be very surprised if the club could actually design and administer a drug rehabilitation programme.

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If you read the statement in full, it makes more sense.

"Rhys has been honest and contrite throughout the process and has extended apologies to Wigan coaching staff, players and sponsors for his actions in letting down both himself and the Wigan Club. The Club will support him, as allowed, through this difficult time and is in the process of constructing a rehabilitation programme to take effect after the recommended period of remorse, reflection and full awareness."

This suggests the rehabilitation is a mental/personal thing to bring him through the inner turmoil which he will no doubt be experiencing, and NOT a drugs rehab.

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I personally think that this is a real shame for the lad, the pressure to compete is huge. Fail and you are just one of many who failed in chasing the dream of being a professional sportsman. At the age of 18 there are so many distractions and a lack of life experience. With the lax drug testing from the governing body the extra boost to stay with or ahead of the pack is a clear temptation which many probably get away with.

I hope that the club do everything that they are allowed to do to help and more. I don't want to see a 20 year old in the same boat as Terry Newton.

If anything this enforces that there is a need for more awareness and support in the sport for this problem. If there's more testing to be done to close a rather wide hole then do that, if it's down to the clubs boosting testing themselves and providing more support than so be it.

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Quote: goobervision " lax drug testing from the governing body....'"

Based on what evidence?
Quote: goobervision "According to UK Sport figures, Rugby League players were tested 508 times for prohibited substances from April 1 2008 to March 31 2009. This is the third highest of all UK major sports behind football and athletics. Approximately 628 tests were expected to have been taken from April 1 2009 to March 31 2010 and for the year 2010-2011 the RFL have requested 650 tests from UKAD'"

It's too late on a Saturday to be number crunching, but is it really too much to ask for a modicum of empiricism in such important matters?

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Like I said earlier in the thread, I think the scrapping of the u23s has put added pressure on young kids to impress early.

He says he only took once but I seriously doubt that, he'd get no results from one shot/tab of Dbol. Maybe he did one cycle which length depends on how he took the Dbol. 6 week cycles are the norm from a tab but can be run longer from injectable.

Dbol is very potent steroid and some have gained around 16lbs in a 6 week cycle (mostly water retention) but if taken orally as I suspect he has can also be very liver toxic so pleabty of water and liver support would have been needed with milk thistle. High blood pressure, high cholesterol, hair loss, inferitiilty and acne also very common with Dbol.

I just hope he's running or run Pct from a Dbol cycle as it's very very prone to causing gynacamstica and bring is natural test levels back in order. Many suggest running a drug called armidex at 0.5mg per day to prevent gyno occurring and also clomid to bring his natural test back on order so basically his balls back to normal size.

As you can see, the is many negatives with PEDs if not run with proper knowledge.

Steroid education should be given by all clubs to all the youth players.

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Quote: CyberPieMan "Based on what evidence?
It's too late on a Saturday to be number crunching, but is it really too much to ask for a modicum of empiricism in such important matters?'"


Lets be honest though, that's around 1.5 tests per player per year (assuming only those in Super League are tested). Just because the other sports don't do much either doesn't mean to say that RL is great either. Of those tests that were taken, how many were blood tests vs urine?

As said earlier, Lance Armstrong was said to have been tested around 70 times a year at his peak, and didn't fail one. I'm sure if you were of the mind to do this then the meagre testing wouldn't be much of a deterrent as you could relatively easily get round it.

Hopefully this isn't widespread, I just have doubts when you have a very physical sport, decent financial rewards for success plus easy to circumvent regulations.

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Quote: adi "Lets be honest though, that's around 1.5 tests per player per year (assuming only those in Super League are tested). Just because the other sports don't do much either doesn't mean to say that RL is great either. Of those tests that were taken, how many were blood tests vs urine?

As said earlier, Lance Armstrong was said to have been tested around 70 times a year at his peak, and didn't fail one. I'm sure if you were of the mind to do this then the meagre testing wouldn't be much of a deterrent as you could relatively easily get round it.

Hopefully this isn't widespread, I just have doubts when you have a very physical sport, decent financial rewards for success plus easy to circumvent regulations.'"


Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago.

Dbol will show 100% on every test.

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Quote: St pete "Have you any idea what Lance Armstrong was using? If he was using HGH then that was pretty much impossible to test for until 2yrs ago.

Dbol will show 100% on every test.'"

What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc.....
There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to boot.

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Quote: CyberPieMan "What do these things cost to buy? I would assume your bog-standard steroids (are there such things?) would be relatively cheap whereas something like HGH is rather more expensive. Then there's the support network you'd need if there was to be systematic doping, with the ability to schedule the odd bladder flush at short notice, or carry a spare penis around like (I think) Mike Tyson has confessed to doing (I think it was Tyson, I'll happily sit corrected), etc, etc.....
There's still the possibility of random testing (even if it does work out at 1 or 2 players per club per year - which I agree is patheticly low), so the risk to reward ratio is proportionately high. If RL players were being paid wendyballer salaries & their appearance on the park was to make or break the mansion in Alderley Edge, it might make sense, but this lad simply got lazy and is probably missing a dollop or three of common sense to boot.'"


Some might pay about £50 for 100x50mg tabs of Dbol with the injectable about £20 for 50ml. Plus your on cycle therapy and post cycle therapy if he's done that.

HGH is expensive. Some might pay between £130 to £180 for 100iu which would last aprox 5 weeks .

Dbol would benefit a rugby player much more as it's very potent and get big fast gains in 6 week cycle. HGH is less potent and less risky to your health. Some might say HGH has many positives like great sleep, lean muscle mass, better skin, better hair, increased libido and helps to recover.

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