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| That system mean the top 4 and Catalans will be untouchable for years to come. We have a lack of parity is salary cap controlled conditions so this can only make the one side games occur more often. Not good for the game.
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| Apparently the Magic Weekend will stay but when and how. If each team plays twice plus a magic fixture that is 23 games then seven more games then play offs. Is the season going to be starting January to fit it all in?
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "In the detail of the system it says SC will remain at just over £1.8 million, with home grown stars limited to a value of 100k on the cap, so for us Roby could be on £300k but only counts as £100k.
Using that system, Wigan saints and Leeds could spend very close to 2 million with our squads'"
Which none can afford!!!
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| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Apparently the Magic Weekend will stay but when and how. If each team plays twice plus a magic fixture that is 23 games then seven more games then play offs. Is the season going to be starting January to fit it all in?'"
Itr is worse that that isn't it? The regular season will be 30 games.
It's a really stupid idea.
It results in 30 games (inc magic) before the play offs or CC are taken into account.
The 12 team leagues play each other twice. 22 games. Then when it splits to the 8 they play each other once. Seven more games and then the magic weekend. 30 games.
The playing each other once when it goes to an 8 is going to mean the clubs play teams who end up in the same 8 as them 3 times in the league format, they will potentially play one club 4 times if they are drawn against them at the Magic Weekend and possibly again in the playoffs.
Add in the CC we could end up playing, say Saints, 6 times in one season under this format. How stupid is that?
There are also players livelihoods at stake here as there always is when you have relegation from a pro league to a semi-pro one.
It's bonkers IMO.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Which none can afford!!!'"
Don't tell that to the anti SC peoples!
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| Another effrct of this is clubs won't know if they have three or four homes games after the split to the 8.
So if season tickets cover the 7 games after the split you won't know what you are buying up front and if they don't you can kiss goodbye to any decent crowds as people save their cash in case their team gets into the play offs.
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| Quote: DaveO "Another effrct of this is clubs won't know if they have three or four homes games after the split to the 8.
So if season tickets cover the 7 games after the split you won't know what you are buying up front and if they don't you can kiss goodbye to any decent crowds as people save their cash in case their team gets into the play offs.'"
Ahhhhh! Season tickets will only cover the regular season, like now!
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| What I don't understand is why the MW is still being used as an EXTRA fixture, when it doesn't need to be. 22 games before the split plus 7 after = 29 games (14 home, 14 away, 1 neutral). What point does the 30th fixture acheive!? Granted the MW would have to take place after the split in to 8/8/8.
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[quote="headhunter":lnxdgxk2]Union people are idiots. They almost universally accept that league is a better, faster game played by better athletes, yet for some reason they continue to disregard and belittle it. That game is tedious as hell from start to finish. If he'd ever played or even bothered to give more than a fleeting chance to league he would realise that the game is far more 'technical' than Union ever could be. Booting the ball into touch, scrummaging and forming rucks and mauls aren't areas that involve any skill, technique or mental capacity whatsoever. These are clumsy, outdated facets of the game that are also extremely uninteresting to watch and thus have to be defended in some way by people who are too prejudiced to see the truth.[/quote:lnxdgxk2]: |
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| Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "What I don't understand is why the MW is still being used as an EXTRA fixture, when it doesn't need to be. 22 games before the split plus 7 after
EXACTLY!! Said this in other forums....the only way the Magic weekend makes sense is to have it as the first round after the split, so it leaves a balanced fixture list of 11 home / 11 away THEN 1 neutral / 3 home / 3 away. The RFL MUST do this!
Also if we move to this then this for me must be a 'play off SERIES' and we don't then convolute it further with play offs on top.
12 teams, play each other home and away. 7 round play off series - with each in top 8 playing twice and points from season carried through - Top 2 through to grand final
Second 8 play simply for top 4 spots for 'promotion' the following season - No grand final - Its farcical!
Still don't know what the bottom 8 play for - Seems pointless unless we look at relegating bottom two to the championship?
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| Talking to a colleague today, massive Everton fan.
He said that whilst he might enjoy a SL game on SKY now and again, he could never follow the game due to the amount of (in his words) "f***ing about" year after year.
Promotion.
No Promotion.
14 Teams.
12 Teams.
10 Teams.
Top 5 Playoffs.
Top 6 Playoffs.
Top 8 Playoffs.
London Crusaders/Quins/Broncos.
North Wales / South Wales Crusaders.
Challenge Cup Final in April / May.
Challenge Cup Final in August.
Great Britain.
England.
He has a point.
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| With regards the the magic weekend, surely it can be used as one of the weekly rounds, either move it after the split so that you have 8 teams who effectively wouldn't be losing a "home" fixture on season tickets and also leaves the better 8 teams to possibly provide better quality matches.
Having it before the split would either mean an extra random fixture and you end up with possible situations of higher teams getting an easy 2 points while others get tough games or half the teams losing a home game, neither of which are ideal imo.
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| Quote: Robbo "With regards the the magic weekend, surely it can be used as one of the weekly rounds, either move it after the split so that you have 8 teams who effectively wouldn't be losing a "home" fixture on season tickets and also leaves the better 8 teams to possibly provide better quality matches.
Having it before the split would either mean an extra random fixture and you end up with possible situations of higher teams getting an easy 2 points while others get tough games or half the teams losing a home game, neither of which are ideal imo.'"
Not rattled this cage for a while, so dusting it off:....CHALLENGE CUP 5TH ROUND. Then I might cough up for a ticket.
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| Quote: Saint Simon "Ahhhhh! Season tickets will only cover the regular season, like now!'"
So what are the 7 games after the split part of? They aren't the playoffs.
If season tickets do not cover these expect low crowds.
I suppose they could offer existing season ticket holders a mini-season ticket to retain their seats for however many home games a club has after the split but I don't think you would get 100% take up even if they did that.
Whatever, 30 games + playoffs + CC is too many as is the possibility of playing one team up to six times.
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| Quote: DaveO "So what are the 7 games after the split part of? They aren't the playoffs.
If season tickets do not cover these expect low crowds.
I suppose they could offer existing season ticket holders a mini-season ticket to retain their seats ofr however many home games a club has after the split but I don't think you would get 100% take up even if they did that.'"
is it going to be a random draw or something based on position at the split with the top 4 having home advantage for eg? Either way I can't see any option but to have a serious hike in season (& probably walk-up) ticket prices to compensate for potential losses. We're all guessing, but I can't see much beyond this not being good for the supporters.
I was in meetings yesterday in London & the 2 Gooners present were winging about having to pay over £1,000 for a season ticket - me & (coincidentally) the Latics fan were crowing at what it cost us: not too sure any more
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| Quote: DaveO "Itr is worse that that isn't it? The regular season will be 30 games.
It's a really stupid idea.
It results in 30 games (inc magic) before the play offs or CC are taken into account.
The 12 team leagues play each other twice. 22 games. Then when it splits to the 8 they play each other once. Seven more games and then the magic weekend. 30 games.
The playing each other once when it goes to an 8 is going to mean the clubs play teams who end up in the same 8 as them 3 times in the league format, they will potentially play one club 4 times if they are drawn against them at the Magic Weekend and possibly again in the playoffs.
Add in the CC we could end up playing, say Saints, 6 times in one season under this format. How stupid is that?
There are also players livelihoods at stake here as there always is when you have relegation from a pro league to a semi-pro one.
It's bonkers IMO.'"
Do you lot realise the grand plan of S/L is to have the Magic Weekend on consecutive Wednesdays, or to use one of Pemps phrases , it is all a load of bollox.
The last couple of seasons Jamie Peacock has been advocating a season with fewer matches, we now seem to be hell bent on having a sport where the week rule the strong.
The so called sponsers if they ever existed must be consulting there lawers to get out of any agreed deal.
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