Pat is missing a decent thats all he's getting no room to work with and this comment you made shows you know nothing about rugby

Best side minus Soliola, Roby, Wheeler, Gardner, Percival and O'Brien and Walmsley for half the game. Injuries were pretty even, so in context, injuries/team selection can't be used as an excuse.

In order for a half back to ship the ball attacking options need to be there and there were very little from Wigan. IMO Smith is very underated and has a fantastic kicking game. If you had won via his drop goal I don't think any of you would be calling him

Read what i wrote, not what you think i wrote...

Sounds like the Saints are having a great season it just shows how bringing in a top coach like Nathan Brown can revitalise a club and I'm sure you are all looking forward to being able to give some of the big clubs a run for their money in the coming years.

The consistency of losing big games by tight margins is what worries me. Can think of a few games that we've been on the wrong side of.

Saints last night
Wire last month
Leeds away this year
Huddersfield away
Leeds in the CC semi
Leeds in the play offs

They're just the ones off the top of my head. Most of them games don't involve Sam either. This must be a mentality thing and you got to look at Wane and question why we're coming up short?

I've only just signed up here but I said at the start of the year we'd struggle to win anything this year. However, if we get past London and get to Wembley, it'll be interesting to see how we do in a big game against potentially a team that we've struggled to beat under Wane.

Good wingers make room they look for the ball. Can't keep blaming the centres, this is week in week out

What a difference a day makes (there’s a good title for song there) I can’t believe the one’s who are skipping for joy today, are the same ones who only yesterday were going to hang themselves, and Mr Brown with that same bit of rope. Let’s see how long your jubilee lasts? The bitter disappointment of last night will not spoil my day as I drive down to Wembley on the 24th of august, but some other team may spoil my drive back, but for sure it won’t be saints!

It was an underuse of our so called "one set move" that was our main problem in attack last night. When we did actually ship it out and Hampshire was able to chime in to the attacking line we looked dangerous, i.e Charnley's 2nd try. These instances were few and far between though. When we did have field position we seemed insistent on just letting the props plod it forward. Players like Green, Smith an McIlorum are still way off the pace after injury and we need these back to early season form if we are going to contest for trophies.

Main overall problem from last night though, our god awful discipline and inability to keep hold of the ball. We managed to get in to a lead and then consistently piggy-backed them up the field with stupid penalties.

I can't get rid of the niggle that we are doing exactly what we did last season, awesome mid-season form then the wheels coming off when it really matters. I hope I am wrong, though.

Smith halted this move almost everytime last night. Hes shown hes got some class (warrington away) but his decision making is so annoyingly inconsistent.

He obviously lacked faith in whoever was outside him (Hampshire, Tuson).

Well exactly, why did we need to be a man down in the last 20? A string of daft penalties at a point when we needed to control the game. Poor finish.

Poor ball control in the first twenty minutes and poor discipline in the last twenty cost us the game.

Where was Pat on that kick return from Makinson that won Saints the game? Had he moved to fullback when Green was sin binned?

Pat should have kicked to the right hand side, where the left hand side was venerable because of Green being sin binned left Gelling on his own.

Pat didn't kick. Smith did.

I presumed Pat had moved inside for a drop goal attempt but he waved it away and Smith put in a shocker. The chase was woeful/non existant and we were punished.

We need to sort our discipline out though. Yes the shoulder charge rule is a joke but surely we should have realised Child was all over it.