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Quote: THE HINDLEY WARRIOR "So it was the Gold Coast of Humberside after all !'"



Maybe they misheard when he said he was off to the 'Cold Coast'. icon_razz.gif

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Well he has definately gone by the looks of ithttp://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/gold-coast-titans-snare-english-fullback-matthew-russell-close-to-signing-albert-kelly/story-fn2mcuj6-1226487461007rl

A great opportunity for him and I certainly cant blame him.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie "Personally I think that is a load of rubbish. The club have constantly been working with Matty to improve all aspects of his game because that's what they do. Whether he's played at fullback or on the wing he's still going to have to learn to deal with kicks and work on his positioning. The problem is he hasn't shown much improvement.

You're brushing over Russell's flaws but dealing with kicks and positioning are the two most important aspects of fullback play. If a player can't do those things his chances of being a top fullback are slim.

It's all well and good being an elusive player but the bottom line is it's far easier to run rings around players at under 20's level than it is at Super League level. At the moment Russell is similar to Shaun Ainscough. Russell made the fullback spot his own last year for the under 20's but the team was so dominant his defence was rarely seriously tested and his attacking play was fantastic against weak defences.

Murphy is at fullback because he deserves to be. When Russell went out on loan Murphy really started to show what he was capable of from fullback and when Russell returned Murphy was playing good enough to prevent him from returning to that position. His defence is miles better than Russell's and there's no point ignoring that because it is a massive part of the game at fullback.

Murphy and Russell also have different styles in attack. Murphy isn't as elusive as Russell but he is more direct which is something that is better suited to playing fullback at Super League level. You have to be direct and can't afford to hesitate. Russell has a habit of always wanting to step and go round players, which works in the U20s but will not be as successful in Super League.

It's alright praising Russell's ability to return the ball but yet again that was a strength Shaun Ainscough had and one that didn't really provide much once he stepped up to Super League level.

There's absolutely no doubt that Russell has huge potential and probably more potential than Murphy but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some important issues in his game that need fixing and it also doesn't mean that Murphy can't be the better of the two right now. Murphy looks to be a much smarter player in attack and defence and is an incredibly safe pair of hands. Murphy was playing ahead of Russell on merit.'"


So you're actually writing off a 19 yr old lad who clearly had enough potential that both Wigan and GCT are very interested in? Who's to say he won't in years to come develop into an outstanding FB or possibly a winger? Clearly GCT and Wigan see something in him which you don't. How can you say running straight is more suited to SL level than elusive running? What? Both players can be elusive and run straight when called for!
Just because he has quick feet doesn't mean he's another Shaun Ainscough.

IMO using any talent 18/19 is a loss, given time he could have proved to be an asset to the club.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "So you're actually writing off a 19 yr old lad who clearly had enough potential that both Wigan and GCT are very interested in? Who's to say he won't in years to come develop into an outstanding FB or possibly a winger? Clearly GCT and Wigan see something in him which you don't. How can you say running straight is more suited to SL level than elusive running? What? Both players can be elusive and run straight when called for!
Just because he has quick feet doesn't mean he's another Shaun Ainscough.

IMO using any talent 18/19 is a loss, given time he could have proved to be an asset to the club.'"


Not writing him off at all. I was arguing that his potential didn't automatically mean he should always start at the fullback for the under 20's and didn't automatically make him the best choice as understudy to Sam Tomkins this year. In other words Murphy earned his place ahead of Russell in the pecking order and that having lots of potential doesn't necessarily mean someone is going to be a great player. I think he'll be a top player when he fixes up parts of his game and that could take 1 year, 2 years or something like 5 years. It's inevitable that arguing the merits of one player by comparison with another might come across as writing that player off but I've always said Russell has much more potential.
I also think his game will develop far more down under than it ever would in this country.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie "Not writing him off at all. I was arguing that his potential didn't automatically mean he should always start at the fullback for the under 20's and didn't automatically make him the best choice as understudy to Sam Tomkins this year. In other words Murphy earned his place ahead of Russell in the pecking order and that having lots of potential doesn't necessarily mean someone is going to be a great player. I think he'll be a top player when he fixes up parts of his game and that could take 1 year, 2 years or something like 5 years. It's inevitable that arguing the merits of one player by comparison with another might come across as writing that player off but I've always said Russell has much more potential.
I also think his game will develop far more down under than it ever would in this country.'"


I dont think you was writing him off either but what i do have to say is you seem to rate Murphy more where as if you turned up to all of last seasons 20's games and all of this seasons 20's games you would know that Murphy didn't earn his place he was moved to full back by default because Russell was called to Super League however what i think you mean is that he impressed once at fullback, however my opinion on this has always been the same form is temporary where as class and experience are both permenant, Murphy should never have been selected to play against leeds and we all saw why, that should have been Matty Russel pulling on the shirt, and people are still scratching their heads as to why hes left for the gold coast! Do the math, and from the result would you stick around???

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Quote: Bostonslugholes "I dont think you was writing him off either but what i do have to say is you seem to rate Murphy more where as if you turned up to all of last seasons 20's games and all of this seasons 20's games you would know that Murphy didn't earn his place he was moved to full back by default because Russell was called to Super League however what i think you mean is that he impressed once at fullback, however my opinion on this has always been the same form is temporary where as class and experience are both permenant, Murphy should never have been selected to play against leeds and we all saw why, that should have been Matty Russel pulling on the shirt, and people are still scratching their heads as to why hes left for the gold coast! Do the math, and from the result would you stick around???'"


But he can't have left for the Gold Coast, I thought the rumour was garbage? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Vectrabeast "But he can't have left for the Gold Coast, I thought the rumour was garbage?

It was garbage initially the contract hadn't been fully agreed, the slightest disagreement could halt contract talks so it's best in future that people only release sensative information after the press release! icon_stupid.gif

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Quote: Bostonslugholes "I dont think you was writing him off either but what i do have to say is you seem to rate Murphy more where as if you turned up to all of last seasons 20's games and all of this seasons 20's games you would know that Murphy didn't earn his place he was moved to full back by default because Russell was called to Super League however what i think you mean is that he impressed once at fullback, however my opinion on this has always been the same form is temporary where as class and experience are both permenant, Murphy should never have been selected to play against leeds and we all saw why, that should have been Matty Russel pulling on the shirt, and people are still scratching their heads as to why hes left for the gold coast! Do the math, and from the result would you stick around???'"


You're right to correct that point, I mean he did enough to keep his place rather than he earned his place as it was by Russell going out on loan that Murphy got his chance. However Murphy managed to keep his place through some very good performances which is why he was named under 20's player of the year (Admittedly Rhodri Lloyd was robbed of that award as he was the best by far).
As for who I rate more, I simply rate Murphy's defensive ability higher right now, Russell's attacking ability higher (albeit there are still improvements that will undoubtedly come) and in terms of potential well Russell has a lot more potential.

I disagree that Russell should have been selected ahead of Murphy against Leeds as all signs pointed to a close game where defence would be important and as I said above Murphy would come out top in that department.

I'd also say it's having Sam Tomkins at fullback that is the number one reason why Russell would look elsewhere to develop his career. That and the fact that you'd have to be mad not to jump at the opportunity to go to Australia and play rugby in a place where it's taken very seriously and where the best coaches and the best competition is.

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Good luck to the lad, fantastic opportunity. His opportunities at Wigan would have been limited again next year and he'll be better off playing reserve grade down under than he is over here.

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Quote: Vectrabeast "But he can't have left for the Gold Coast, I thought the rumour was garbage?
People should take more notice of what you post.

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Quote: Bostonslugholes "It was garbage initially the contract hadn't been fully agreed, the slightest disagreement could halt contract talks so it's best in future that people only release sensative information after the press release!
This is a RUMOURS thread, not a FACT thread........

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Good Luck to Matty he'll love the Gold Coast and he'll have another Wiganer to show him around Shaun Wane's daughter works for the Titans, so he'll be in good company.

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Quote: [Gareth] ""This is a RUMOURS thread, not a FACT thread........'"


wait a minute, not its not icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: Bostonslugholes "It was garbage initially the contract hadn't been fully agreed, the slightest disagreement could halt contract talks so it's best in future that people only release sensative information after the press release!
It was a certainty when I posted it, I know for fact the contract had been signed and could even tell you how much it was for if you like (including bonus's etc). A move to the NRL was almost a certainty from very early this season with 2-3 NRL clubs chasing his signature all year.

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Shame, best of luck to him though.

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