You're assuming we will get through the playoffs.

It might be Wigan v Saints in the Grand Final.

You will have to deal with their greater experience in the cauldron of Old Trafford as they have probably played more games there than at their new home ground.

They lose them all though

Wee Tam back for the play offs is a must to sort the defence out .

I think it is only after the last few weeks that a lot of people now realise how good Wee Tam is and what a miss he will be next season .

Also Fielden has been out for the best part of 2 years. He will be way off the pace and there is no way that I can see him being able to play to the higher standards of play off matches.'"

Ok so we didn't beat Wire but we are still 1 point clear. For some reason the 'experts' seem to think Warrington are guarenteed to win their 3 remaining games, however, London away the week before the CC final is not going to be easy especially as London have hit some form and Hudds at home the week after the CC final is not easy again Hudds have hit some form. They also play Widnes away last game which as a derby and just before the playoffs anything can happen. Our fixtures are not easy either but with 10 days rest to Salford, then a week off till Hull KR, hopefully some key players back fit, think we can finish in style ready for the play offs by smashing Stains at home again. In a nutshell I would prefer to have our finish than Wires, having said that they are playing well.

As annoyed as I was Saturday I certainly won't rule us out of anything just yet. We've hit a rough patch for sure but there's time to bounce back. I don't think the lads are tired at all, they're just not in the best of form and some are lacking match sharpness.

We need our best 17 out on the field each week now to build momentum and we can add in Richards and Leuluai as and when they're right.

In reality we may get more out of that defeat on Saturdau then a win could bring. It'll hopefully wake a few lads up and get them back to working hard and put some fire in their bellies.

i'm of the opposite opinion. with and without the ball on saturday i think we looked very jaded even before they pulled away to 18-6 ahead.

of course, we had a lot of tackling to do through our own doing at times and defence tires you out blah blah i know, but i was thinking even after ten minutes or so "jeez we look knackered already"!

the CC Final break will help, but lets not forget there are still teams like Catalans & Saints etc who will also benefit from the break.

we just need some magic in a big game, which i beleive all 3 of our remaining games are in the regular rounds to put some fizz back into the players. if we can pick up a bit of morale going into the playoffs anythign can happen but i must admit i am worried about the mantal and physical pressure that the players are put under and without a key player such as tommy of late the team has struggled.

all we can do, like every teams' fans, is hope for the best and if it ends up in failure it is after all only a game.

--- +1 --,after reading most of the replies to this topic , an also the way in which the wire blew your lot off the pitch on sat,the words,grasping and straws spring to mind

-- like the saints hoodoo ,wire the bottlers ( ) etc etc,your seeing a diff wire this season,cc win and grand final awaits!

Shaun Wane will of cost you getting to the Grand Final if you don't make it.

If we can get a big win against Stains at a full DW and lift the dinner plate, Saturday's game will be forgotten about. The team need to focus solely on that now. It's not the biggest accolade in the game but clinching top would be a good confidence boost before the playoffs.

Keep the faith

----gosh i seem to have touched a nerve there ,anyway,why does that myth about wire bottling it against leeds last year still persist ffs,were you at that game? i doubt it,we actually we had a few players who were not fully fit playing in that game also it took a very,very , VERY dubious descision by a linesman ( i mean,when did you ever see a linesman actually use his flag for an offside,very rare ) in the last few mins for offside which gave leeds the penalty they needed to win the game! if you call that bottling,that is your opinion,i myself call it unlucky,as in very unlucky!also ive said all season wire will get to wembley and the g/f and im standing by that,we will see in sept who is right