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Quote: Odem "Really? We can go second in the league today! Without that blip at Widnes we could be top of the league.

Saints have been awful. They didn't even look convincing against salford.'"

At the time I posted it was 6-18 to London. So realistically we had no rights to mock them.

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Well, it's moved on a bit since the boards went down.

Royce back in!

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Not quite sure what to make of the Simmons sacking.

Is he a poor coach? - he doesn't seem like a very charismatic guy, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Has player power conspired against him? Heard some odd rumours to that effect.

Or is it rank poor recruitment? Don't rate many recent Saints signings, while their old stagers are at times a bit of an embarrassment. I've never seen anyone contest decisions with the referee the way Wellens does. Perhaps he should put as much effort into leading the side.

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Made my day, especially after all the "ape" comments from Stains fans early in the season.

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Made my day, especially after all the "ape" comments from Stains fans early in the season.

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Experienced heads leaving and not being replaced. Young players being thrown into the mix and expected to pick up from where seasoned pro's left off. Now a change of a coach after only a few bad results, to a new vastly inexperienced coach team. And finally to try and stem the tide Jamie Lyon an ageing Aussie signed on a do doubt humongous wage.

Why it all seems a bit familiar to me this. icon_wink.gif

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Shame.

I thought he was doing a cracking job.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg





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Dreadful recruitment and subsequently a lack of leadership are the main reasons behind the struggles of the Saints.

If Mcmanus is in charge of recruitment, sacking Simmons is very harsh.

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



They've a way to go before they're in the kind of position we were in the mid noughties, but they're definitely heading in the right direction. Great to see the scousers in disarray and long may it continue. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "Experienced heads leaving and not being replaced. Young players being thrown into the mix and expected to pick up from where seasoned pro's left off. Now a change of a coach after only a few bad results, to a new vastly inexperienced coach team. And finally to try and stem the tide Jamie Lyon an ageing Aussie signed on a do doubt humongous wage.

Why it all seems a bit familiar to me this.
That really sounds like a panic measure. How old is Lyon now - 31?

He's not the answer to their problems by a long stretch. In fact, I'd say that re-signing former stars when they've veterans, hoping that by some miracle they'll regain their youth just because they pull your club jersey on, would be a bad move for any club, even one that isn't in trouble.

Who next? Longy?

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Royce always seems to have the world on his shoulders and his demeanour surely cant come across to the players as positive.

Ive said to a few of my scouse buddies he was a poor signing as a coach he didnt do it at Hull and was slagged off heavily by the tigers fans who couldnt wait to see the back of him.

KFC and Rush will do well with what they have but like us under Noble they have the players who should be delivering far more than they are, but not yet please !

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Well time will tell. But this is far from a rushed decision. Also it's not just the head that's gone, so do not think this is all laid at Royces door. This is a whole sale relook. Someone has to be in charge, but rather than the usual with the assistant coach covering the gap. There is the need to go further than that.

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I think Noble is the man to steady the Saints ship, whether he can take them forward after that is debatable.

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