Quote: dubairl "there is no doubt that if he gets back to form he will be challenging westwood for best backrower in superleague (warrington fans its fact not opinion Couldn't agree more! It's something I've argued about on many a board. Gareth receives a lot of criticism on here, yet when you compare Hock's last season before his ban, against Westwood's 2010 season, Ben's best ever, MOS challenging season. Hock comes out on top, and by some distance. Granted Gareth didn't make as many tackles or respect possession enough. But in every other department Hock's a clear winner. So for all those on here who cream themselves over Westwood, and I'm one. Folk's on here should learn not to have such a short memory when it comes to remembering what genius Gareth Hock is capable of. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 I'm a big fan of Hock if you can't already tell.

Quote: dubairl "there is no doubt that if he gets back to form he will be challenging westwood for best backrower in superleague (warrington fans its fact not opinion Couldn't agree more! It's something I've argued about on many a board. Gareth receives a lot of criticism on here, yet when you compare Hock's last season before his ban, against Westwood's 2010 season, Ben's best ever, MOS challenging season. Hock comes out on top, and by some distance. Granted Gareth didn't make as many tackles or respect possession enough. But in every other department Hock's a clear winner. So for all those on here who cream themselves over Westwood, and I'm one. Folk's on here should learn not to have such a short memory when it comes to remembering what genius Gareth Hock is capable of. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 I'm a big fan of Hock if you can't already tell.

Well it would be Hock for me. He's younger than Trent, he'll more than likely be on less money than Trent, plus Gareth doesn't count on the quota.

In saying that Trent Waterhouse is a good player.

The only question mark over Hock is whether he'll be able to get back to his old self. We've seen glimpses of it. Hopefully a full pre-season and a good long run of games should get him back firing on all cylinders.

he looked like he was getting fitter game by game so am i sure he will.

I cant wait to see him play next year, on form he is one of the best second rowers in the world. He has the ability to single handedly beat teams on his own, its great to have the harrison hansens and the ben westwoods who will tackle anything that moves and never let anyone down but i'd take Hock over any of them any day, you can teach anyone to tackle but what Gaz has is pure skill.

yet only shows it in 3 or 4 games a year which is ok for a mid table team like Leeds, not good enough for Wigan standards, we need the ball to go tour players not the ground or Alan Dawson in row 3 of the stands

There was a number of Australian clubs in for Gareth Hock when he was banned, what does that tell you?

I stopped taking your opinion seriously a while ago

I'm with FIOS' last two posts. (I don't know how to put them together!)

Rickey Bibey has SL champions medals, what does that tell you?

No he doesn't. So that probably tells us more about you than him.

ok, so i meant challenge cup medal

are you really comparing rickey bibey to hock?