So you'd honestly give your child away to a total stranger? Dont be stupid.

The problem isnt just the teachers fault or the parents fault, its a combination of both, and also the group of "friends" they choose to hang round with

All im trying to say is that just because some kids are out of control its not always bad parenting because its not. Ive experienced parents with these problems first hand and in most cases ive come across theyve tried everything to discipline their children but there is only so far they can go because the law has taken parental control/discression out of it. If you think school computers filtering out websites stops kids then you are wrong, they did that at my school and its not hard to get around.

Tarring every parent with a troubled child as a bad parent is wrong and that is a pure fact.

Discipline is not all about physical violence but when i was growing up you knew that there was only so far you could push your luck before you got a crack. Thats where a large problem lies, kids are not scared of being punished anymore.

Do you think these kids dont know whats right and wrong? Get real, they do bad stuff because they want to and because they arent bothered about the consequences.

I mean whats the worst that can happen? Prison? Xbox all day for free

Re read... I said thats what my father would have said.... And it meant that we toe'd the line because we knew he was boss, and what he said was law. I behaved at school because my parents taught me too... They also made sure that they KNEW who we hung around with.... And don't call me stupid..

Parents, peers and educators all have a large role to play in a child's upbringing. But ultimately it's the child which has the biggest say on their behavior. Everyone knows right from wrong. It's my belief that the majority of these individuals are brainless numpty's, who don't give a sh*t because of their total lack of intelligence and comprehension of their own actions. Perhaps it's a simplistic view but it's what I feel.

At what stage of the game did the incident happen?

Bout 60 mins into game i think.

True LTS, but your first point of contact is with your parents... Long before peer groups and educators...

I agree to an extent, but say a parent had abandoned their child and they have to be brought up in foster care with other children who are in the same situation. Who are also angry people, and rightly so with what they have been brought up into. Is it the childs fault that they behave this way?

I know it is an extreme example, but it shows how their upbringing and also the people they hang around with can effect their behaviour in some ways

Oh right, no defence then. If it had been 80+ mins, then i wouldn't blame him. Stupid how football teams sub players for these last few minutes.

This.

Used to like footy a lot, but at the top level it's just lost it's soul. Reckon you'd have a much better time watching a lower league team these days - at least there's still an honesty there.

I'd love to know why teachers have any fault in a child's behavioural problems.

Whats worse is there was a player (Dzeko) who came off just before this happened who had a right little tantrum because he had been taken off. So they had one numpty throwing his dolly out because he had been taken off then Tevez the idiot saying balls to that im not going on