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| Quote: Gotcha "Because he's been standing out for the last four seasons. Have Leeds been a poor team for the last four? That's why your post is incorrect. It is not just this season.'"
your interpretation of my post is incorrect, i didnt specify a timeframe so you concluded that i wasnt referring to the current season
Quote: Gotcha "I didn't say any position either. I said backrow, loose or centre. Had he been used there settled in just the one of those positions then yes he would be at the top of the game in that position. The fact is, he hasn't, and his own ability to play various roles and Leeds shortage through injuries in those positions, has meant he has had to be used across the park. Which unfortunately for the lad also sacrificies his own aspirations.'"
OK then, in any of the positions you mentioned. better?
face it, he is good but not a world beater just like JJB, Bailey, McGuire & Burrow never will be
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""your interpretation of my post is incorrect, i didnt specify a timeframe so you concluded that i wasnt referring to the current season'"
You said he had been good this season, standing out in a poor team. What more time fram do I need? If you want to go back further, are you seriously saying Leeds have been poor for four seasons?
Quote: [Gareth] ""OK then, in any of the positions you mentioned. better?
face it, he is good but not a world beater just like JJB, Bailey, McGuire & Burrow never will be'"
Thnk you are missing the point here. I never said he would be "the best" I said he would be top of the game, i.e. regarded as one of the best and playing international or NRL, had he stuck to just one position. Why have you suddently come back with another four Leeds players as world beaters? are you really saying you have a blinkered view on Leeds rather than the players? Why not use other examples, like Sam Tomkins, Carmont, O'Loughlin?
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| Quote: The Biffs Back "Jeff's been banned before, but he's still the best at what he does best
I think that is because he is the only one who actually does it.
Since he returned from his protracted ban and sulk he has shown nothing of the skill and guile that earned his previous incarnation sevaral sycophantic followers.
This latest effort is again far too predictable and well....boring (althought it is obviously working here and until people see through it, it continues to provide jeff with yet more worm burping material).
I was of the opinion that jeff should get out more. I had hoped that would be in the 'Real World' and I am a bit dissapointed to find he has only got as far as the wigan board.
Still its a start isnt it jeff?
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| Quote: Gotcha "You said he had been good this season, standing out in a poor team. What more time fram do I need? If you want to go back further, are you seriously saying Leeds have been poor for four seasons?
Thnk you are missing the point here. I never said he would be "the best" I said he would be top of the game, i.e. regarded as one of the best and playing international or NRL, had he stuck to just one position. Why have you suddently come back with another four Leeds players as world beaters? are you really saying you have a blinkered view on Leeds rather than the players? Why not use other examples, like Sam Tomkins, Carmont, O'Loughlin?'"
and i said he is never international or NRL class in a million years (~well, i didnt exactly say that but it was my point)
i could use Sam, Carmont and Locky as examples but they would be poor names to use as:
Sam: one of the best players in SL (and you'd have to be pretty blinkered yourself to disagree) and a contender for MOS
Carmont: has to be the best centre currently playing in SL
Locky: one of the best forwards in the league and also MOS contender
the reason i mentioned the leeds players i did is that we are forever having it rammed down our throats (by various Leeds speccies) how good those players are and they simply aren't
dont get me wrong, wigan have some players who will never be more than good squad players but we dont harp on about how they will be top of the game and NRL standard
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""and i said he is never NRL class in a million years (~well, i didnt exactly say that but it was my point)
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We all said that about Luke Burgess, look at him now.
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| I think every club has a handful of players that look distinctly average to most fans, but if you watch them week in week out you appreciate what they do for your club and the talents they have. I am a Leeds fan and Ablett would be one of the first names on the sheet for me! He never shirks anything, has moved to Centre without a complaint and moved there for a Grand Final appearance and played well.
Also some fans forget that we watch a salary capped sport where you can't pay all your players a hefty wage so players like Carl who are committed to your club, give 110% and never hardly let you down are gold dust!!
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| Quote: Sam Buca II "We all said that about Luke Burgess, look at him now.'"
havent followed the NRL for some time, is he doing good?
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""havent followed the NRL for some time, is he doing good?'"
Not put a foot wrong so far.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Not put a foot wrong so far.'"
Agreed, performing well above everyone's (mine included) expectations!
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| Quote: Bill Sonny "i did look at the leeds forum, but to be honest you come off sounding like a bit of a prat more than anything. your comments are why this and other team's forums are declining.. why go on the leeds board just to wind them up and call their team average in some gloat session? if you want to knock their players, do it here'" agreed, this thread, in my opinion was the result of being torched on the leeds board, and rightly so. It's like loosing an argument at school, then saying, right......i'm going getting my friends to back me up. Not very constructive posts on the leeds board, which, i feel, is leading to the contempt being felt on these forums at the moment. just my opinion
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| Quote: shyloc "agreed, this thread, in my opinion was the result of being torched on the leeds board, and rightly so. It's like loosing an argument at school, then saying, right......i'm going getting my friends to back me up. Not very constructive posts on the leeds board, which, i feel, is leading to the contempt being felt on these forums at the moment. just my opinion'"
Correct. Ironically this thread has produced some worthwhile debate on the subject, rather than the one the OP hijacked on the Leeds board, which now consists mostly of centralparkforever (who may or may not be Keith Swiftcorn in other guise) writing "no, he's average and Leeds smells" repeatedly in response to whatever anyone else says.
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| I like him. Tackles all day, doesnt make too many mistakes and can be a house. That's what you want your second rowers to do, isn't it?
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| good strong back rower who goes under the radar more often than not, as most good second rowers do..
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| Quote: ROBINSON "I like him. Tackles all day, doesnt make too many mistakes and can be a house. That's what you want your second rowers to do, isn't it?'"
Works for me. He's a decent ball-carrier too, makes quite a lot of breaks.
His tackle stats have suffered a bit from being part of our raggedy-d defence this year (which results in everybody making tackles from slightly out of position) but generally is a very solid defender.
His biggest weakness is that he can, occasionally, be too much of a house, and give silly penalties away. Probably less so this year than previously though.
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| He's about 20 but looks 50 that guy did have an up hill paper round
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