No they don't. Not the fans who've been around for the two decades of winning the occasional Yorkshire Cup anyway.

But after Leeds lose to Wigan and Catalans over the next two weeks, we'll be EIGHTH. Not fourth, eighth. And the squad, though aging, is nowhere near that mediocre. On paper, I'd say it's a little bit behind Wigan and Wire, but not that far behind that a good coach wouldn't have them competitive and expecting to win games, rather than saying, as he did in that interview, "If Wigan play well, the result takes care of itself". Even if true, what about formulating gameplans to *stop* superior opposition playing well? The guy is completely out of his depth.

If Leeds, or Wigan for that matter, are as low down as 8th position at ANY point, even in the salary cap era, it's sure that there's something seriously wrong with the coaching at the club.

Any team spending to the full cap hanging around that low in the table must have something wrong.

I think Potter actually did a fantastic job at Catalans, nobody can really deny that. He was superb at saints as well IMO, he had a team in slight decline but still managed to keep up final appearances. He is a simply awful team at Bradford but they are still pushing for the play-offs.
Matterson can't spend to the cap at Cas and has to put up with playing loads of young players along with average poop like Mathers but he has them playing some entertaining stuff through Chase and Orr and they sit 7th in the table above a few teams with better squads and just 1 point below ex champions Leeds. Everyone says Catalans are having a great season, Cas are only 3 points behind.

I think Madge would be doing a better job than either of them but they are not in the same league as their 'British Counterparts' I think they are doing a decent job under the circumstances.

Finally, the part in red could not be more right. I would have offered Madge 5 years had he wanted to stay over here. The speed at which he turned our team around with just one extra signing from the drivel we watched under Britains most succesful coach says it all.

Leeds with their squad should be comfortably 4th or above imo. If they had Maguire or Smith as coach do you think they would be in the top 4? I do.

One word. Pressure.

Never liked the guy since he tried to stop me going up for a chicken dinner with rice and Broccoli in the players lounge at Quins in 2008.. starving i was!!!

He's hapless at best in the Leeds job!!

Leeds fans on Facebook were calling for his sacking last night........but what if its reverse psychology and Leeds actually beat us??

Then I'd hazard a guess that the players had decided to start playing again and McDermott would live to fight another day. Can't help but wonder if certain players have decided he isn't the right coach and are happy to do their bit to ensure he doesn't last much longer? Looks out of his depth, maybe it's young British coaches that we should be sending to Australia rather than players?

Someone mentioned Potter, he did a fantastic job at Catalans and got a Saints team with no halfbacks to the grand final. He hasn't become a poor coach since then IMO!

really? i don't think their squad is near the quality of Wigan/Wire/Hudds/Saints,

they may have some decent 'names' but it's not impressive any longer

The squad available to McDermott at the beginning of the season:

Fullbacks: Webb, Jones-Bishop
Wingers: Hall, Smith, Jones-Bishop, Hardaker
Centres: Senior, Watkins, Delaney, Smith
Halfbacks: McGuire, Burrow, Sinfield
Props: Peacock, Leuluai, Burgess, Bailey, Cross
Hookers: Buderus, McShane
Back Row: JJB, Ablett, Lauititi, Clarkson, Hauraki, Delaney, Sinfield

No reason that squad, coached properly, shouldn't be competitive with the four sides you mentioned.

Complete bluff. He will have them firing on all cylinders tomorrow and wigan better be on top form.

He is just trying to detract some attention from his team.

Wigan better be aware of the wounded rhino tommorrow

Then he's an idiot just the same. A coach who gives the impression that losing is okay, as opposed to unacceptable, isn't likely to take his team to dizzying heights. If your coach, of all people, doesn't expect much of a performance from you then you may well start believing there isn't much to expect.

Tbh I am sure Madge isn't stupid enough to react to this one way or another.

The team will be prepared as if it's just another round (which of course it is).

Let's hope the players take notice of him.

I agree. I think all that matters tonight is how Wigan play.

No matter how motivated Leeds are or aren't, if Wigan play as well as they can, they should win.

It's that old question though - which Wigan will turn up?