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| Quote: Smooth Stu "What shirt number will he wear?
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34 is the next free one, unless he gets Gleeson's #3
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| Quote: Pieman "really?
When I saw him, he looked no bigger than before.'" He will be playing prop
Tbh size isn't a huge thing to play prop we all know what he can do with his off loads i think it will be a massive boost for us having there to draw people in and get the offloads out
I've seen him a few times and he has put bulk on only concern will be his fitness you can train all you want but you cant get to the level of fitness you need for a game
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| Quote: king warrior "He will be playing prop
Tbh size isn't a huge thing to play prop we all know what he can do with his off loads i think it will be a massive boost for us having there to draw people in and get the offloads out
I've seen him a few times and he has put bulk on only concern will be his fitness you can train all you want but you cant get to the level of fitness you need for a game'"
exactly, mossop has been ourstanding for us and hes traditionally a back rower. And i'll stand corrected if wrong but is Gannen a second rower and look at the game he had on wednesday. We need a big pack, and running with three prope as hurt us at times. If Hock is to be played as a prop i'd have him back asap. The comparisons to Finch coming back too soon are different. Finch is expected tp be creative, be a pivot, organise the team around the park as well as having responsibility for the kicking game. Hock needs to take the hit ups and hit the ball carrier hard. A big difference. And although he hasnt played for two years you never lose that natural instinct of when to odd load etc. He wont come back a rip it up, but if hes solid ill be happy. He'll get sharper at the top level by playing top level. Get him in so hes firing on all cylinders come tthe business end of the season.
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| Quote: king warrior "He will be playing prop
Tbh size isn't a huge thing to play prop we all know what he can do with his off loads i think it will be a massive boost for us having there to draw people in and get the offloads out
I've seen him a few times and he has put bulk on only concern will be his fitness you can train all you want but you cant get to the level of fitness you need for a game'"
we can play Hansen or Joel there then.
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| Quote: Pieman "we can play Hansen or Joel there then.'" Could they play there? YES but there style of play wouldn't be any good
I fully expect hock to be playing a graham type roll in the front row and it will work it wont take him long to get his game back but when he does god help every other team cause we all know what he can do
I know it's diffrent but down at shevy sharks a moved to prop this season and i'll tell you what he's nailed on for player of the year/ players player you get more time out of them on the pitch plus without the extra size you get quicker play the balls
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| Quote: king warrior "Could they play there? YES but there style of play wouldn't be any good
I fully expect hock to be playing a graham type roll in the front row and it will work it wont take him long to get his game back but when he does god help every other team cause we all know what he can do
I know it's diffrent but down at shevy sharks a Centre moved to prop this season and i'll tell you what he's nailed on for player of the year/ players player you get more time out of them on the pitch plus without the extra size you get quicker play the balls'"
but less go forward in most cases.
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| Quote: lothlorian "exactly, mossop has been ourstanding for us and hes traditionally a back rower. And i'll stand corrected if wrong but is Gannen a second rower and look at the game he had on wednesday. We need a big pack, and running with three prope as hurt us at times. If Hock is to be played as a prop i'd have him back asap. The comparisons to Finch coming back too soon are different. Finch is expected tp be creative, be a pivot, organise the team around the park as well as having responsibility for the kicking game. Hock needs to take the hit ups and hit the ball carrier hard. A big difference. And although he hasnt played for two years you never lose that natural instinct of when to odd load etc. He wont come back a rip it up, but if hes solid ill be happy. He'll get sharper at the top level by playing top level. Get him in so hes firing on all cylinders come tthe business end of the season.'" Spot on with your last bit and i think thats what everyone will be aiming for we have fielden back aswell soon so 2 people will be losing places
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| Quote: Pieman "but less go forward in most cases.'" You are right in a way but if you think about a big prop v a smaller one the only advantage of a big prop is more go forward thats it
Playing the likes of hock,joel and hansen you get more game time,quicker play the balls (which is crucial) and offloads
So in a way you get more out of them
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| Quote: king warrior "Could they play there? YES but there style of play wouldn't be any good
I fully expect hock to be playing a graham type roll in the front row and it will work it wont take him long to get his game back but when he does god help every other team cause we all know what he can do
I know it's diffrent but down at shevy sharks a Centre moved to prop this season and i'll tell you what he's nailed on for player of the year/ players player you get more time out of them on the pitch plus without the extra size you get quicker play the balls'"
Sorry KW, a bit off topic but who was the centre at shevy you are meaning? I watch them most games and couldn't think who you meant. You can PM me if you want.
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| Quote: king warrior "You are right in a way but if you think about a big prop v a smaller one the only advantage of a big prop is more go forward thats it
Playing the likes of hock,joel and hansen you get more game time,quicker play the balls (which is crucial) and offloads
So in a way you get more out of them'"
Morley and Graham can play 80 minutes and they are large and tackle all day. So what smaller props are better than the 2 mentioned? Someone mentioned Gallen, he is 16st 3 and is 5ft 11. Thats a good build and is heavier than both Mossop and Prescott and is a loot shorter.
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| Quote: Pieman "Morley and Graham can play 80 minutes and they are large and tackle all day. So what smaller props are better than the 2 mentioned? Someone mentioned Gallen, he is 16st 3 and is 5ft 11. Thats a good build and is heavier than both Mossop and Prescott and is a loot shorter.'" No way Morley can do 80 these days Graham yes but players like that you get them once every 10/20 years
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| Can see it being the home game against Leeds when he makes his comeback
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| Quote: king warrior "No way Morley can do 80 these days Graham yes but players like that you get them once every 10/20 years'"
which small props outdo the larger ones and in what way. The good big props nearly always outdo a good small one.
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| Quote: Pieman "which small props outdo the larger ones and in what way. The good big props nearly always outdo a good small one.'" I could flip that around and say what do big props out do smaller ones barr more impact?
It's a never ending argument i know where your coming from but we will just have to agree to disagree
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| Quote: king warrior "I could flip that around and say what do big props out do smaller ones barr more impact?
It's a never ending argument i know where your coming from but we will just have to agree to disagree'"
ok
Was just about to start naming names
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