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| As he was unconscious after the impact yet scored he couldn't have been more in the act of scoring a try.
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| Quote: dirtbag83 "Gibberish. If he wasn't touching down for a try how the heck did he he manage to ground the ball whilst unconscious. He's was out cold before he hit the floor. If he was still running upright he'd have just dropped the ball but he was that close to the floor his ball carrying arm just dropped doen before he could release the ball'"
Touching down for a try means just that - touching down. Tomkins wasn't doing this.
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| Quote: endoman "As he was unconscious after the impact yet scored he couldn't have been more in the act of scoring a try.'"
Where have you pulled the phrase 'act of scoring' from?
The rules certainly don't mention this. They are concerned with the player 'touching down'.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "The laws stateIf a player fouls an opponent who is touching down for a try, a penalty kick at goal shall be taken from in front of the goal posts after the attempt to convert the try. After his kick has been taken the ball shall be deemed dead and play shall be restarted from the halfway line. This law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try and not to any subsequent period.[/i
The fact that Tomkins was (or wasn't) diving at the time is irrelevant. He was not touching down for a try by any means.'"
So does touching down for a try refer to the ball being in conatct with the floor, or the player being in the act of placing the ball down (ie touching it down for a try)? In my opinion (which could well be wrong) diving to place the ball on the ground would be the act of touching the ball down for a try?
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| The only 8 point trys ive seen have been given when the player has been fouled after the ball has been grounded
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| Quote: Dave26 "So does touching down for a try refer to the ball being in conatct with the floor, or the player being in the act of placing the ball down (ie touching it down for a try)? In my opinion (which could well be wrong) diving to place the ball on the ground would be the act of touching the ball down for a try?'"
I refer again to the rules
This law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try and not to any subsequent period.[/i
The ball must be touched down, not simply an attempt to ground the ball, such as diving.
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| Quote: brook40 "The only 8 point trys ive seen have been given when the player has been fouled after the ball has been grounded'"
This doesn't surprise me. It's very hard to judge, it's a split-second call.
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| Quote: Dave26 "So does touching down for a try refer to the ball being in conatct with the floor, or the player being in the act of placing the ball down (ie touching it down for a try)? In my opinion (which could well be wrong) diving to place the ball on the ground would be the act of touching the ball down for a try?'"
agree, there is more than one way to touch a ball down, the fact sam still did touch down showed his method was pretty secure!
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Quote: kirkstaller "Touching down for a try means just that - touching down. Tomkins wasn't doing this.
Please, guys, you're making yourselves look foolish.'"
Stop acting like they sprinkle magic dust on you when you become a ref. You know as well as I do that match officials will be arguing over the interpetation of this at the next meeting just like we are now. There haven't been many 8 point tries given in SL, so there's no precident, so there's plenty room for debate.
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| Quote: endoman "agree, there is more than one way to touch a ball down, the fact sam still did touch down showed his method was pretty secure!'"
He did very well indeed. At first I thought he'd dislocated his shoulder aswell.
All I am saying is that this rule is probably one of the least used. Today's incident was unsavoury but the law only applies to tryscorers being fouled when the ball has been grounded.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Stop acting like they sprinkle magic dust on you when you become a ref. You know as well as I do that match officials will be arguing over the interpetation of this at the next meeting just like we are now. There haven't been many 8 point tries given in SL, so there's no precident, so there's plenty room for debate.'"
With this rule, the only interpretation is how long after the ball being grounded can a player be fouled and be awarded an 8 point try. Tomkins was fouled before touching the ball down and therefore is not eligible. It is that simple.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "I refer again to the rules
This law applies to the period during which the ball is touched down for a try and not to any subsequent period.[/i
The ball must be touched down, not simply an attempt to ground the ball, such as diving.'"
Fair enough, it seems that Ganson was technically correct in not awarding the 8 point try then. Although I still think that is daft, a player being knocked out in the process of scoring the try (as he clearly was as he managed to ground it) should be awarded with an 8 point try.
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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
[quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]: |
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| Quote: kirkstaller "I will bring it up at my own society's meeting this week, where I'm sure Mr Ganson will be vindicated.
With this rule, the only interpretation is how long after the ball being grounded can a player be fouled and be awarded an 8 point try. Tomkins was fouled before touching the ball down and therefore is not eligible. It is that simple.'"
It doesn't need to be after the ball is down. It's made for situations like this where the player is definitely going to score so the opposition player hits him with a cheap shot. FWIW I think the Myler one where Joel went in with the knees should have been an 8 point try too
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| Quote: Dave26 "Fair enough, it seems that Ganson was technically correct in not awarding the 8 point try then. Although I still think that is daft, a player being knocked out in the process of scoring the try (as he clearly was as he managed to ground it) should be awarded with an 8 point try.'"
I agree, it is a little silly. I'd prefer it if the rule was opened up a little to include incidents like today's.
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| Quote: Grimmy "It doesn't need to be after the ball is down. It's made for situations like this where the player is definitely going to score so the opposition player hits him with a cheap shot. FWIW I think the Myler one where Joel went in with the knees should have been an 8 point try too'"
Well with respect you're wrong, the ball does need to be down.
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