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| Calderwood was the scapegoat of his time.
I'd love to see the number of tries we'd have conceded had it not been for him chasing back.
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| Quote: tugglesf78 "Calderwood was a very lazy player who only started to come looking for work in his last season with us. His defence was shocking also.'"
The stats on Calderwood says that is complete and utter bollox. If you compare him to Pat his defence stats are generally slightly better, certainly no worse and his work around the marker area significantly better. Would you say the same thing about Pat?
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| Are we really trying to compare Claderwood 2 Pat?
I would have love to have seen Calders playing at centre like Pat did when he first arrived. Or see Calderwood ever contribute 2 the team like Pat did.
Calders really is the ultimate bullet without a gun. He's got no power, a none existent fend or step and even if he worked hard it was no harder than say someone like Colbon did.
All this bull about putting him in our current side and suggesting he'd be a superstar is laughable.
All pace no ability and I'd go out on a limb and say he's one of the poorest Wigan wingers of the past 20 years.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Are we really trying to compare Claderwood 2 Pat?
I would have love to have seen Calders playing at centre like Pat did when he first arrived. Or see Calderwood ever contribute 2 the team like Pat did.
Calders really is the ultimate bullet without a gun. He's got no power, a none existent fend or step and even if he worked hard it was no harder than say someone like Colbon did.
All this bull about putting him in our current side and suggesting he'd be a superstar is laughable.
All pace no ability and I'd go out on a limb and say he's one of the poorest Wigan wingers of the past 20 years.'"
My post didn't compare Calderwood to Pat, more Goulding who himself is no Ray Mordt when it comes to running through defenders.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Are we really trying to compare Claderwood 2 Pat? '"
Based on the areas quoted i.e. lazy and crapola defence, clearly yes. The stats across the three years when they both played in the team in those areas do not back up the previous quotes. Like I said would anyone say the same thing about Pat in those areas? Definitely not - so why say it about Calderwood when the facts show it to be untrue?
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| I was replying 2 WLA post above mine.
Even Claders vs Goulding is a no contest. I don't think Calders has the ability to score some of the tries Goulding did this year. The one vs Hull especially sticks out in the memory as something we never saw from Calders.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "I was replying 2 WLA post above mine.
Even Claders vs Goulding is a no contest. I don't think Calders has the ability to score some of the tries Goulding did this year. The one vs Hull especially sticks out in the memory as something we never saw from Calders.'"
Apart from arguably the most important try ever scored for the club you mean?
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Based on the areas quoted i.e. lazy and crapola defence, clearly yes. The stats across the three years when they both played in the team in those areas do not back up the previous quotes. Like I said would anyone say the same thing about Pat in those areas? Definitely not - so why say it about Calderwood when the facts show it to be untrue?'"
Ha ha a lot of straw clutching there.
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Apart from arguably the most important try ever scored for the club you mean?'"
What about it? Yes it's an important try but he only steps one person at the end and one try doesn't make a career. I'm not saying his pace doesn't make him a threat but when your game is limited to just having pace and nothing else I'm glad we got rid.
Like a previous poster said why not just get Chambers in? He'd have probably gone the length of the field and not needed Ashtons help.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Apart from arguably the most important try ever scored for the club you mean?'"
Thats a hell of a statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Ha ha a lot of straw clutching there. '"
You equate facts with straw clutching do you? Plenty of them on the Superleague website. When you've had a look please come back and prove otherwise.
It's pretty obviously who is clutching straws and it isn't me.
Quote: thepriestman85 "What about it? Yes it's an important try but he only steps one person at the end and one try doesn't make a career. I'm not saying his pace doesn't make him a threat but when your game is limited to just having pace and nothing else I'm glad we got rid.
Like a previous poster said why not just get Chambers in? He'd have probably gone the length of the field and not needed Ashtons help.'"
I see, you can quote one example, but when I do the same it isn't relevant. The try still needed scoring and given the situation, he was under considerably more pressure than a normal early season game at home v Hull.
If anyone thinks Calderwood only had pace they obviously don't watch games very closely. It also doesn't explain how he was SL try scorer either.
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| Quote: twosevenzero "Thats a hell of a statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is, but given what happened earlier that week with yet another Mo points deductions and our position, had we lost that Leeds game I personally didn't see a way back for us. That win was absolutely huge for us. Had we gone down, we'd still be rebuilding now.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "You equate facts with straw clutching do you? Plenty of them on the Superleague website. When you've had a look please come back and prove otherwise.
It's pretty obviously who is clutching straws and it isn't me.
I see, you can quote one example, but when I do the same it isn't relevant. The try still needed scoring and given the situation, he was under considerably more pressure than a normal early season game at home v Hull.
If anyone thinks Calderwood only had pace they obviously don't watch games very closely. It also doesn't explain how he was SL try scorer either.'"
He was the SL top try scorer because like all top try scoring wingers before him he's played outside very good players or in good teams.
If Claders game had something more than pace I'd love you'd 2 tell me what it was.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "He was the SL top try scorer because like all top try scoring wingers before him he's played outside very good players or in good teams. '"
So the same as our two wingers this season then?
Quote: thepriestman85 "If Claders game had something more than pace I'd love you'd 2 tell me what it was.'"
Well seeing as you think Dwain Chambers would have done a similar job I feel I would be wasting my time. Heart, guile, a rugby brain and a defence for a start.
Been looking at those straw clutching stats yet? You seem to have gone quiet about them.
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| Quote: Conroy "Calderwood was the scapegoat of his time.
I'd love to see the number of tries we'd have conceded had it not been for him chasing back.'"
Indeed. I've no doubt the reason why Pryce gets some of his abuse is the same reason Calderwood got his - and it has nothing to do with rugby.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Indeed. I've no doubt the reason why Pryce gets some of his abuse is the same reason Calderwood got his - and it has nothing to do with rugby.'"
Jesus
Are you really saying what i think you are?
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