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Quote: lilylaner "Just one question -why is Charnley still at at HKR when we were so woefully weak in the centre positions yesterday?'"


Not a clue. I vociferously supported bringing Josh Charnley back into the side. He would have played at centre for me instead of Marsh (not hindsight I said this before a ball had been kicked).

Next week Josh Charnley plays for me. If Goulding is back he comes back in place of Pryce and Charnley plays instead of Marsh. If Goulding is still injured then I would bring Josh Charnley on the wing.

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I've just watched the game again.
The ONLY pass Pryce got on when he was in the wing position was that shocker when he kicked the ball.

He actually saved three tries.

Now I've never said he is the best winger at Wigan but some of the criticism he has got from Sundays game beggars belief.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I've just watched the game again.
The ONLY pass Pryce got on when he was in the wing position was that shocker when he kicked the ball.'"


The biggest criticism from me would be that he never gets into acting half to give the forwards a break when coming off your own line.

Surely its time to put the "long-term" project to bed and move on - waste of a fair chunk of salary cap.

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Quote: Paul Youane "The biggest criticism from me would be that he never gets into acting half to give the forwards a break when coming off your own line.

Surely its time to put the "long-term" project to bed and move on - waste of a fair chunk of salary cap.'"



Watch the game again, he actually takes it in as many times if not more than Pat Richards in that game, and that's another reason I don't understand Sundays criticism.

I am led to believe he is not on big money at Wigan, but has been offered a two year deal at Bradford.

I guess it's a case of wait and see.

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Just to play devil's advocate I noticed a piece of play that warrants criticism of Pryce when I watched it again.

Watch the build up to Luke Robinson's try. Pryce initially tracks back but watch his movement/attitude when a Huddersfield pass goes to ground. He continues to slow down moving past the Wigan try line with his back to the play obviously believing the danger had gone thus finding himself well out of position (too deep and too central) to defend Robinson's later run.

A more focused player may well have prevented that try.

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Quote: MadDogg "Just to play devil's advocate I noticed a piece of play that warrants criticism of Pryce when I watched it again.

Watch the build up to Luke Robinson's try. Pryce initially tracks back but watch his movement/attitude when a Huddersfield pass goes to ground. He continues to slow down moving past the Wigan try line with his back to the play obviously believing the danger had gone thus finding himself well out of position (too deep and too central) to defend Robinson's later run.

A more focused player may well have prevented that try.'"


He chased the ball from Hodgsons inside kick. Maybe if he hadn't been so enthusiastic and stayed on his wing he would have been in position to make the tackle.

BTW he did get back and make the tackle on Robinson but was a fraction late.

And then you can argue that Richards made the wrong decision for Cudjoes first try, and certainly Deacon did for the last one.

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38 seconds into the game - Huddersfield target Pryce. The kick bounces unfavourably.

2Half Time

Wigan have a 59% completion rate. Have made 10 handling errors, but have also made 10 clean breaks! Whereas Huddersfield have not made a single break.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Watch the game again, he actually takes it in as many times if not more than Pat Richards in that game, and that's another reason I don't understand Sundays criticism.'"


He takes it in an makes zero yards over the gain line. He is stopped dead in his tracks, never evades the tacklers or drives them back. I could make more yards than he does driving the ball in. He is completely ineffective when he does this.

Quote: Rogues Gallery "I am led to believe he is not on big money at Wigan, but has been offered a two year deal at Bradford.

I guess it's a case of wait and see.'"


Well he must have been on big enough money not to make him an attractive proposition for a loan to another club. Either that or he's just not wanted. He's too old for dual reg but we have no trouble in loaning other backs out to SL clubs. I wonder why he never went? It's either he's not wanted or he costs too much because I am certain it's not because he is considered an integral part of the first team.

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Quote: DaveO "He takes it in an makes zero yards over the gain line. He is stopped dead in his tracks, never evades the tacklers or drives them back. I could make more yards than he does driving the ball in. He is completely ineffective when he does this.

Well he must have been on big enough money not to make him an attractive proposition for a loan to another club. Either that or he's just not wanted. He's too old for dual reg but we have no trouble in loaning other backs out to SL clubs. I wonder why he never went? It's either he's not wanted or he costs too much because I am certain it's not because he is considered an integral part of the first team.

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Dave have you watched the game again?
Pryce makes more metres in collision than Richards in the game.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Dave have you watched the game again?
Pryce makes more metres in collision than Richards in the game.'"

Not sure about that Brian. icon_confused.gif

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Quote: Pemps "Not sure about that Brian.
I am, I've just watched it again. icon_biggrin.gif

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After watching it again, would you play Pryce instead of Goulding (if fit) next week Brian?

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Dave have you watched the game again?
Pryce makes more metres in collision than Richards in the game.'"


I have and when he takes the ball up he is ineffective. Now if Richards had an off day in this regard (not that I agree he did) and was just as bad what has that got to do with Pryce being good enough?

Two wrongs do not make a right so where is the logic in basically saying because he was as poor as someone else he should not be criticised?

In any case it's pointless forming an opinion based on one game and over the season so far on average Richards makes 135m per game. Pryce 69m. Richards averages 2.32 runs from dummy half, Pryce 1 per game.

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Quote: DaveO "I have and when he takes the ball up he is ineffective. Now if Richards had an off day in this regard (not that I agree he did) and was just as bad what has that got to do with Pryce being good enough?

Two wrongs do not make a right so where is the logic in basically saying because he was as poor as someone else he should not be criticised?

In any case it's pointless forming an opinion based on one game and over the season so far on average Richards makes 135m per game. Pryce 69m. Richards averages 2.32 runs from dummy half, Pryce 1 per game.

Dave'"


Don't forget, scoots from DH are a "bad thing"... icon_wink.gif

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Second half

40:55 - Leuluai's kick right down the throat of Brett Hodgson. Our long kicking game has been awful.

41:47 - Joel Tomkins (now playing at centre) caught well out of position. Cudjoe steps inside to the covering defence, offloads, but Pat Richards palms it back to Mark Riddell.

42:31 - Markers not square - Wigan penalty on 40 metre mark.

43:32 - Deacon chips over looking for Joel/Pat but Cudjoe comes away with it.

44:34 - Great scoot from Leuluai who offloads superbly to Chris Tuson

45:08 - High kick dealt with by David Hodgson. Huddersfield penned in their own half.

46:06 - Poor kick from Brough collected by Pryce. However the run back from Pryce sums him up completely. As soon as contact is made he freezes and goes down like a sack of spuds.

46:58 - Brilliant kick from Leuluai behind Hodgson. Pryce/Marsh tackle him behind the goal line. Phil Clarke criticises the laboured chace from Karl Pryce. Justified IMO it was very laboured jog compared to Marsh who sprinted for it. Lucky it was a good kick?

47:38 - Interesting incident. Keith Mason all over Fielden, round his neck, throws his hand in his face. Fielden slaps at him. Meanwhile Tomkins was distracted and chucked a poor ball to Lockers who knocked on. I have to say, job done Keith Mason.

48:42 - The last time Huddersfield try a kick to Pat Richards who easily plucks it out the air. So reliable!

49:26 - Deacon makes a fantastic long kick. Went for a 40/20 but the bounce wasn't kind. Hodgson (Brett) looks like he has knocked on. Went back according to Mr B.

50:04 - Superb kick behind Pryce from Brown. Hodgson collects, but Pryce grabs him and Hodgson knocks on.

50:36 - Another superb offload from Fielden finds Deacon whose tackled. Great field position.

50:49 - Superb kick from Lockers. Hodgson knocks on and Tomkins looks to have ground it. Video referee decision. NO TRY - Correct decision.

52:20 - Kick to the corner behind Pryce who slaps it over the line. Did the right thing.

54:20 - Great Huddersfield play. Lawrence on the inside, throws the ball back, Fielden knocks it forward and Cudjoe scored.

55:49 - Knock on Fa'alago in his own half.

57:13 - Kick from Lockers, Richards goes for it, but Cudjoe knocks it out. Great play from both players. Cudjoe has impressed me.

58:12 - Great run from Fielden, but chucks a poor ball to Farrell who knocks on. All the pressure lifted off.

59:34 - Hodgson beats KP for pace, kicks back on the inside, Robinson comes up with it and scores. Criticism of Pryce for hanging around justified IMO. WTF was he doing?

61:51 - Superb kick. Wigan under pressure now on their own line.

62:33 - Pressure kick from Deacon right down the throat of Hodgson

63:30 - Long ball from Robinson plucked out the air from Richards.

63:44 - Eddie nearly creams as Sam Tomkins scores one of the tries of the season. Been brilliant all game Tomkins. Someone on here once told me Tomkins wasn't quick enough for fullback. icon_neutral.gif

66:36 - Sam Tomkins goes for a 40/20 - Hodgson covers.

68:05 - Tomkins kicks and it's fielded by Hodgson.

69:05 - Stupid penalty from Harrison Hansen for a ball steal. Personally I couldn't see it.

70:23 - Inch perfect kick from Danny Brough and Cudjoe scores. Like I've said that lad impressed me. No pressure at all though on Brough.

73:02 - Charge down from Farrell. Somehow he gives us possession at the scrum. Chance.

73:54 - Chris Tuson throws a silly ball and Liam Farrell knocks on.

74:49 - Bentham gives a hilarious penalty. OFFSIDE AGAINST WIGAN! Anyone who has been watching the game would know that Huddersfield were offside many times during the game. Bizarre decision.

75:40 - Lee Gilmour knocks on.

75:46 - 11 Wigan fans leave the ground.

76:44 - Composure goes out the window and Pryce ends up with it and kicks the air.

78:19 - Stefan Marsh makes a brilliant break, but chucks an awful pass on the ground. Hodgson ends up with it.

79:17 - Superb Wigan defence. Turnover. Last chance.

79:52 - Chris Tuson knocks on.

80:00 - Game Over.

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