I like how people are complaining about this and saying were screwed. Am i missing something or havent we been crap for decades now??? Hardly going to get any worse with McNamara.

Which is OK if "not getting any worse" is the height of their ambition.

But lets face it, it is... People are living in dream land if they think we can take on the Aussies any time soon. We havent got any better in years, if making a final on home soil and subsequently blowing it in the final 20 mins is improvement then no wonder we cant compete with the Aussies. You could have the best coach in the world and England would hardly improve. Its quality players that we need that we just dont have right now in certain positions.

Your right it would be impossible for a good coach to make any difference with the same set of players, I mean look at maguire and brown, hardly improved those teams have they!

Exactly what we were saying about Wigan last season.

You are aware that the England coach gets just a week or 2 to train his team. not an enitre off season. Comparing maguire's impact on Wigan is hardly the same, you dont get enough time to influence your players as much in the national side as you do for a club side. Do you honestly think Wigan would have improved as much as they have in a just a week or 2????

Of course i dont but a better coach will get more out of the players in a shorter period of time, look at england football, tripe under mclarren, walked the qualifying under cappello and they only have 2 weeks together with the same rubbish players!

A good coach can improve mediocre players more than a mediocre coach can!

I don't think a top coach would be aiming for "not getting any worse".

True but i dont think many coaches could improve the England team to level where we can compete with the Aussies. As for the England football team, alot of those players are great for the clubs but then play crap for England, there much better than they have shown. With England rugby, we just dont have the qaulity players we need.

Who would you given the Engalnd job to???

Im not saying they will or that we should be think that. My point was that people are getting annoyed because McNamara is the new coach and saying how England are screwed. All im saying is that its hardly going to get worse with him. I wouldnt have picked him but i certainly dont think its cause to get so annoyed. What top coach would we have appointed???

I dont think we can compete either, however that dont meen we should settle for second best!

If its only a two week job like you say, I would have hunted down one of Phil Gould, Wayne Bennett or Brian Smith (who i see has a job with england). Reach for the stars, you may not get there, but it will certianly be better than aiming at the height of a rattlesnakes jockstrap like Macnammara!

cant argue with that

I think having Smith in there will help, but i wouldnt want to see him as the England coach (but thats because he's doing well for the Roosters this season)

When i saw that list of the coaches interviewed i could hlep but laugh, we have nobody. Well the good think about Smith is he likes his discipline, and he has plenty of knowledge on the NRL, and he can also keep a check on our 3 pommies down there

Unfortunatley any good coach wouldnt want the England job. If your a good coach why would you give up your club to coach a national side full time that has around 4 or 5 games a year?

McLaren and Sven had good records in the qualifiers as has Capello, who hasn't proven anything yet when it matters.