yes it's not only the coaching but the whole way the club is now being run, a good insight is to listen to Rads in the South Stand bar at the post match presentation, we are a team again.
Example, in the team meeting before the Hull game, it was HH's 150th game for the club, he was presented with a special match shirt with 150 embroidered on it, and HH said that this was a great honour. It's a culmination of all these little things going on behind the scene's that shows on the pitch, long may it continue.

You might try following your own advice before posting the tripe you did.



I do indeed and all I did was express it without resorting to insults or belittling anyone.



But I didn't. I merely offered an opinion as we all do which several people share without, as I said, resorting to insults or belittling language. You in contrast are someone doing the shouting down and I'd stop now if I were you. You have already lost the argument and carrying on makes you look foolish.

Dave

And I didn't use the word insult either. I said you turned it personal and you did. There was IMO nothing wrong with my post but it seems if I disagree with a point of view it must be because "I think I am always right".

It's ridiculous but I have yet to see anyone post an opinion they thought was wrong!

Dave

Reading this forum you’d think that Nobel is a marked man in Wigan just like Peter Risdale is a marked man in Leeds.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous, the rugby we are playing is miles more entertaining and far less predictable than we played under Noble. Nothing Dave has said demonstrates an 'I'm always right' attitude yet those criticising him are acting like pathetic school children. If the only argument people can come up with is a personal attack then I suggest you grow up and grow an opinion.

Maybe certain people are a bit miffed that everything negative that was said about Nobby in the past is being shown to be true:

He couldn't motivate his players.
He needed to drop players from time to time in order for them to improve.
He needed to put pressure on players to lose weight but didn't.
He needed to let players play to their natural strengths rather than what he perceived their role to be.
He wasn't interested in winning games early on in the season but didn't use this as a reason to give young players the chance to get some experience under their belts, instead he relied on them when it did matter due to injuries which ocurred in games which apparently didn't.

For goodness sake people even argued after 3 years that it wasn't even Nobby's team but it sure as hell seems now that people have changed their tunes a bit.

Have your opinions by all means that's what forums are about but accusing someone of being a know-it-all for having a logical writing style is totally uncalled for. If the club had listened to half of you lot there's no way we'd be top of the table with the best attacking points difference.

As for the post by Damo, most of us acknowledge that Nobby helped save us from relegation but it was time for him to move on probably a year before he went. Progressive coaches are able to learn from their mistakes and target areas for improvement. I have nothing against him as a person, despite some of the rumours about his private life but it seems like there can be a million and one positive posts about Nobby but woe betide anyone who says anything negative about him.

He's gone and everything is pointing to the fact that Wigan were right to let him go.

Mate, dealing with criticism isn't a strong point of yours it? nor is making petulant replys.
For the record, I refering to your posts as a whole rather than a certain one. I would have thought that was clear!
I could go through your post line by line (it's very funny), buy i'll leave it to others to laught at your total lack of self-awareness.
I'll leave it there. Enjoy your rugby dude!

Was your previous post to Dave a deliberate attempt at irony or what?

Listen to people's views they're all valid, except yours.

"We are all individuals"
"yes we are all individuals"
"I'm not"

Forums are for opinions, Dave is obviously giving his opinion and shouldn't have to put up with personal attacks and snide comments from anyone. The comments made on here are invariably based on him and his style not based on what he said. If people focused on commenting on people's words rather than their personalities, as they see them, then we wouldn't have a situation where most threads get sidelined by bitchiness and mockery. As some people won't agree with me this will probably be described as a rant (a ploy which anyone who has been using internet forums for as long as I have will know that these are well known tactics used by people unable or unwilling respond logically to any relevant points made). Whatever perceived faults Dave may have, dodging a question so blatantly is not one of them.

If you think Dave is wrong, here's a suggestion, why not counter his opinion with your own opinion? Do that and *Bingo* we've got ourselves a discussion.

Not at all, its not about taking a side, the majority of people have agreed with Dave in this thread but not one person has said how they disagree with him. When faced with comments such as "No point in auguring with you DaveO as you think your right all the time. Its just most of us on here know better " and your "Yet another "disagree with me and you're wrong" post from Dave!" what on earth is he supposed to do other than defend himself (resulting in an accusation of not taking criticism well)?

My very point is that it shouldn't be about 'Dave's posts as a whole' its about replying to what he's actually written in any given thread with your opinions. We couldn't be anymore different in our viewpoints on that. Just imagine for one second what it would be like for you having responses like the ones above every time you write anything! There's no defence for it without being open to further accusations. Dave was totally right about you jumping on the bandwagon.

At no point here have I just written, 'in my opinion' or 'I think' so I could be accused of 'Always thinking I'm right' which in itself is a totally ridiculous notion which is pretty difficult to respond to (as those who accuse it are generally fully aware) but people will be accused of it by those who disagree with their viewpoint. For example if I said 'Wigan were good last night, Maguire is doing a good job, Goulding had a good game' I doubt there'd be cries from people that I should clarify that I was expressing my opinion rather than a fact. We are lucky in spoken conversation that we have different tones, body language and facial expressions that clearly communicate our mood, attitude and feelings towards a given subject. Unfortunately when typing we have no such luxury, you have no idea whether my heart rate has increased while I am typing this because I am mad, if I have gone red in the face with rage or if I am writing this to pass a bit of time because I am nervous about a dental appointment I have coming up (if only I could get a dentist . You were right in that everyones opinions are valid and that includes Dave so all I'm saying is give the man a break.

I do feel sorry for you never mind it was not mean to be personal i was pointing out you think your always right which i think lots on here will agree with.
Last on the subject from me say what you like now i wont respond to you again.

I bet you do!!